How do shop or market stall owners get items?

Discussion in 'General Entropia Universe Discussion' started by INTERNUT, Nov 15, 2021.

  1. Do shop or market stall owners display items they've looted themselves, or do they get items from auction? Or some other way?
     
  2. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    Good question... I imagine it varies a lot. Historically, my soc mate ran a shop that I think was entrusted or loaned to her by someone else outside of the soc. I used to occasionally pass her things to sell in it...

    Aww.. that brings back memories. I missed her "I have small peds for you" messages. Was always nice to have something sell. As for what I gave her to sell it was stuff I'd looted.
     
  3. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Basically any way you'd want. You loot/mine it have agreements with people doing this for you, buy from auction, or through private trades.

    Is anyone still using this? When I was still active, the main issue I saw was that in order to buy or sell through booths was it was not connected to the auction, and thus you would have to roam around. Which, in my opinion, defeats the entire purpose. Why pay 100k PED for a stall, booth, anything, if you can just use the auction? Sure, the fee might be slightly higher, but you most likely make faster sales, unless you happen to have a salespoint close to a TP.

    In which case, MindArk might at any given point decide to fuck you over and move your point of sales further away. That happened to us when VU 10 hit, and nobody in Goteborg gave a fuck, despite us paying a premium for the location. So don't bother with shops or spacecrafts or landareas or planets or moons or anything else MindArk will try to encourage you to invest into. You *will* get screwed by MindArk. In fact, they happen to have a 100% track record on screwing over anyone investing in these.

    In fact, I would advise you to just abaondon the game while you can. Save yourself some frustration and more importantly, money. Anything MindArk touches will turn toxic.

    This "game" is going nowhere. They ride whichever trend gets viral (but only after the trend dies, so look out for Squid Game Red Light, Green Light hitting Entropia in 2022) and desperately hope their incompetence will be shileded by capitalising on the wave of new players.

    They have not managed to get a new influx of players for ages. If they do manage to get new players, they will drop off after extremely short periods of time. There is very little entertainment offered for your money. Why would anyone stick around?

    The great majority of the existing playerbase is only staying becayse they spent thousands of dollars in this frankengame. If that had not been the case, they would have been long gone, but somehow all of these people were convinced that "sKiLLs rEpReSeNt MoNeY" and are desperately hoping some new influx of idiots will relieve them from their skill "investments". Except, nobody is buying them.

    Personally, I had hoped back in 2008 or so, that the new planets would finally mean that MindArk, the incompetent Swedish clowns running this game, would be held accountable by their partners. The opposite turned out to be the case, with MindArk stiffling creative content and talent just to order their own incompetence. The planet partner scheme was and is a big failure because MindArk favors their own subsidiary, after an attempt to sell that one off fell through because they lied about the numbers.

    MindArk went through a number of CEOs over the last few years. Lootius knows that a great number of people on this forum worked extremely hard to try and support these numbnuts. We spent countless hours of our own private time, and an amount of money I don't even dare to take a guess at to promote this promise of a game. We published an actual magazine, at our own cost, only to have the current chairman of the board who actually never worked a day in a real company before in his life, attempt to sell it to a third party as if it was his creation.

    MindArk.does.not.give.a.fuck. They are talentless hacks, without any vision whatsoever, hoping that anyone would be willing to buy into their dream. Unfortunately, some people did. Go ahead. Go ask the planet partners how they feel about this collaboration. Because of NDAs, they might tell you they are delighted. God knows why. Fuck all has been achieved for them in years. Talk to them off-the-record, you'll hear different stories. No planet partners have been signed on in the last decade. Apparently even shoddy marketing stories run thin.

    MindArk does not give a fuck about their players. MindArk does not give a fuck about their partners. All they care about is spending in their casino. There is no great new influx. There hasn't been in a decade. All that happaned is press releases, none of which mattered. There was a mobile game, which enticed players to invest. That ended up a fluke, and so MindArk doesn't mention ComPet anymore. That'd be embarrassing, after all.

    Other attempts were made to raise capital. Space ships were sold. That flizzled. Statues were sold, and subsequently some of the buys had to wait years for their statues. A moon was sold. It sold at minimum buyout. But then!

    Kids, get comfortable, because this will blow your mind! MindArk wanted to launch their own cryptocoin! A bunch of idiots from Sweden were going to hide the fact that they for 15 years had not ever managed to release a bugfree release and launch the equivalent of the Unity Asset Store. You would be able to literally sell ANY game asset on here, but it was on the bLocKcHaIn and run by MindArk. A swedish bunch of hacks, who rather than Unity, who have proper devops procedures in place to ensure quality releases. A literal bunch of nonos, claiming they would literally liberate the world of game development by somehow.. uhm. moving people to their proprietary blockchain system. Because "WE IS MINDARK AND BLOCKCHAIN". What could possibly go wrong?

    A modest 12 million USD required to put this into place was suggested (and MindArk is well known for their suggested investments leading to new groundbreaking tech), but when that was not reached (by a long shot), a "mysterious investor" showed up making the ICO a success. I feel encouraged to add that the original terms for the cryptocoin had a clause in there that "inverstments are to be considered as a donation", so whoever the mysterious investor was, he or she clearly was very savvy.

    Mere weeks after, the project was announced to be abaondoned. The mysterious investor who generously donated his or her money, apparently got cold feet. I honestly feel the world missed out on this amazing opportunity where MindArk, failed to revolutionarize the gaming industry.

    Thank god, that MindArk now will completely cvhange the game by switching to Epic. I mean, after all, the past 13 years of disappointment clearly were caused by Cry Engine, rather than a lack of talent in coding/storywriting/creative development. I truly belive MindArk should add several additional layers of management in order to sovle this current hiatus that exists since roughly 2011.

    Oh, and fuck David SSimmonds.


    Entropia's actual punchline ought to be: "What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play".
     
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  4. Looks like you have some experience of this, that's good to know. So anyway, going by what you say, I gather that prob most shop stall owners sell other ppl's looted items as well as their own stuff, or from auction. Thanks :)
     
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  5. Thanks for a very interesting 'history' on EU and for the very useful heads-up on shop stall trading and so on. I can now see that trading this way would be a waste of ped, I'd be better off using the auction or doing PvP trade! I've seen some of the prices in auction for stalls and shops and they're certainly very high. Would take too long to get a ROI imho. Thank you :)
     
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  6. buy what you think will sell and sell it. If it doesn't sell try to buy stuff you'll use yourself or that you can tt. I don't do it as often now but for a while I was just buying tt+0 stuff off auction to sell in my 2 foma shops. I do still have a lot of crap on Calypso to pick up from that endeavor when I feel like heading back that way after my pets are level 7 on cyrene.

    Lately I've been playing Mir4 way the hell more than Entropia but it's a greedy grindfest too - just lower entry cost.
     
  7. I like your strategy for selling stuff, makes a lot of sense. Do you still have those two shops? Also, what's foma? Sry, I'm still new to EU ;) Mir4 seems great fun and reminds me a bit of WoW.
     
  8. Yes I do have the two shops. FOMA is a big asteroid in space just outside of Calypso. If you fly a spaceworthy vehicle up with a thruster you can get there and to crystal palace very easily. FOMA used to be Club Neverdie til Neverdie sold it to FOMA.

    Shops 21 and 22 are mine over there. Below is a little map of the shopping district on the asteroid. [​IMG]

    I will probably restock it sometime in December but we'll see.

    I like the shops on FOMA for the price per item slot vs other places in Entropia Universe. The shops have over 200 item slots inside and a few in the display area so number of slots per shop for the cost of the shop is much better than on Calypso proper in the malls even if foot traffic is slow from time to time. Eventually I'll sell em off but it took quite some doing to get two shops next to one another so I'll be holding them a few more years I suspect. (had to buy another shop down the hall and trade it to another shop owner to get them to leave the deed in my hands... took about 2 or 3 years of waiting for the right person to own the deed, a lot of negotiating and social networking to make it all come together)
     
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  9. Sry for late reply, I've had Net connection probs... Thanks for the info on your shops, looks like they're working well for you. I'm sure I'll take a look if I go there. As to foot traffic, it can't be slower than it is in PA Mall which I go through regularly after landing on the roof so as to get to PSU in the neverdie bank. I hardly see anyone in the mall.
    Thanks btw for saying it's no longer the CND asteroid, but foma. Didn't know that.
     
  10. narfi

    narfi Lost

    Shops are a lot more useful on lower population planets where the auction is less active.

    When I had shops I tried to be as self-sufficient as possible while also providing for the local needs (on rocktropia at the time)
    I would sell my own crafted and looted items and mined resources, and try to import things that were needed that I could not loot or craft myself.
     
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  11. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    hehe why don't you say what you really feel @NotAdmin no need to hold back now ;) ;) ;)

    Good rant though. There was a little voice inside me shouting along with you for that one. Alas @INTERNUT all true and then some (although didn't know about the mag sales thing - but I remember the player made mag in question - was a nice effort). This is just a smattering of things that have gone on over the years. There's tones... MA never cease to... ah... surprise us with their next strange idea. Still, once warned twice shy. Everyone is different in how they "play" the game and so long as people keep their feet firmly on the floor, enjoy what they do and keep "investments" in line with what is enjoyable/sensible it's all fine.

    As for selling stuff. Not sure if it's still a thing but I used to mainly pop to Twin Peaks where there's usually someone buying up stackables for some small value over TT. Note that these people are resellers but don't think badly of them for that. Literally these are people who enjoy playing by trading. They get a kick out of amassing resources and selling them on at a profit, just as others get a kick out of hunting or mining or whatever. My advice would be to find someone like that to pass stuff to. You won't get the same markup as the auction of course but this is made up for by the fact that you can instasell to these people without fee either by finding them at Twin or maybe even PMing them if they are good with that. Resellers make the economy go round. Cherish your reseller, they are what allow you to spend your free time doing the things you enjoy.

    Of course, if you have enough cash to amass decent stack of a whole bunch of things feel free to hold onto it and do the auction thing in due time. As for items, these were what I used to pass to my soc mate for the shop but indeed there is always the auction too. Advice for auction is to always set a buy it now option. Many folks are cash rich and time poor, meaning they happily pay over the odds to instantly get something they can have fun with.

    Shops are the "slow" option to find something however shopping is a thing in game as it is IRL. Some people enjoy finding that nice shop or nice thing that is otherwise hidden. Not sure what the footfall is like though. I think the main reason to run a shop in game is probably "because you want to" rather than, because you think it's the best financial idea. i.e. you may simply want your escapism to be to your little scifi shop on a distant future world where you enjoy finding fun stock for it and shelf arranging and making the shop look nice.

    Funny... seeing that FOMA map again... not been there since it was CND I think... but I do remember enjoying doing the circle of those shops and seeing what I could find. Sometimes it was just nice to explore and see what people have set up.

    Shop wise... OK without getting into a "the game should be better" thing I always thought MA missed a trick by not implementing the ability to try stuff on/out while in shops. That would have given them a unique difference over the auction or private trade that wasn't (pointlessly) finance based. Also they shouldn't have them so spread out and instead of selling them, run them like the council runs allotments. i.e. if players invest time/effort in shops, they are doing the game a service and adding something to an area and building a community. If interested players don't run them, they loos them and they get passed to the next person. OK idea would need some more fleshing out but alas MA were never interested in even starting the conversation (see above post). Same with the flats... honestly I'd gladly see most stuff relocated to Port Atlantis. Have one area that is brought alive, then, if a bunch of people want to relocate they can do so long as they all go together.

    OK none of these ideas are that well thought out but sure gotta be better than dead shopping malls with only a few actually occupied/regularly used shops.

    @INTERNUT it's a shame you were not around for the wooden shops in the cave underneath the deer statue which were on the route to an underground (in a deeper cave) mob spawn wave event area. Lovely little community of quirky small shops but alas MA scrapped them for no fathomable reason.

    Laziness as far as I could tell.

    Wistrel
     
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  12. Sounds quaint but I wonder how many people went in the cave underneath the deer statue to know there were shops there. Btw, where is this deer statue.
     
  13. Tass

    Tass Administrator

    *bump*

    100 PED reward for someone to write a article/guide for how shops work in Entropia for players interested in this area of the game. If interested please sent a pm.
     
  14. Sounds an interesting idea. When would the guide need to be ready by?
     
  15. Tass

    Tass Administrator

    We are not in a hurry. Better to achieve high quality than meeting a deadline :)
     
  16. Ah, ok. Mind you, you'd get some sort of quality with me but how high is anyone's guess.:biggrin:
     
  17. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    I'm happy to proof read if need be.
     
  18. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    haha well... that could be said of many shops though... true some are in public thoroughfares like those booths next to the entrance of Corinth main building and indeed the malls would be expected to conatain... well shops, but many are hidden in people's homes or in the concourses of the apartment blocks or outside random houses or Hangars. I think there were signs in the case of the Deer which, incidentally, is at New Oxford which I think is on Treasure Island on Amathera on Calypso.
     
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  19. GeorgeSkywalker

    GeorgeSkywalker Explorer

    Correction New Oxford tp is not on Treasure Island
     
  20. Nope...
     
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