About maintenance fees

Discussion in 'General Entropia Universe Discussion' started by INTERNUT, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Just needing some info here for the trading guide... Do estates on Calypso require maintenance fees, and same question for the other planets.
     
  2. NotAdmin

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    Apartments at least require a maintenance/rent fee. I cannot remember whether the same applies for shops/market stalls.

    I never got why a maintenance fee is necessary for something that carries no additional cost with it for MindArk. It's basically just yet another way for them to milk more money out of the poor suckers who have too much money.
     
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  3. OK, many thanks for clearing that up. By the way, it's just a shop guide I'm doing for Tass/EP and not a trading guide, only I completely forgot that EP wiki already has that.:rolleyes (2):
     
  4. Wistrel

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    I think the (10PED a month?) fee for the apartments was a fair compromise. At the time of launch estates were fairly few and cost some thousands of PEDs. The apartments were an initial outlay of 300PED IIRC? or possibly different prices depending on size. The reason therefore for the fee was to discourage someone buying them all up. In short, it was a way for players who genuinely wanted to enjoy a small home to do so without great initial expense. Sure there might have been better ways to do it, in fact I'm sure there are but it did the trick at least it was intended to.

    I should clarify Apartments means the big twisty ones on Amathera (Treasure Island only?). There are apartments at Medusa's head and I think somewhere else maybe too? that don't require fees. Not sure what the deal with apartments on FOMA Fortuna is or Monria...

    To find out about shops... I'd be tempted to find some active ones, check the owner and try PM'ing the owner to see if they'd be willing to talk to you.
     
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  5. Yeah I could try and look-up some shop owners to find out the situ with maintenance fees, good idea! Couldn't check other planets though, only Calypso, as I can't get into space yet...:rolleyes (2):
     
  6. Wistrel

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    sure you can! I believe there are Moship owners who still run free trips to other planets. There is a guy called Black (John Knight Black?) I think who does trips around the solar system. Also I think the people who run Next Island do a Sunday trip or something...
     
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  7. OK I'll try that. Wouldn't expect a free ride though, I'd pay something... Or I could log into my EU acct and ask a silly question.
     
  8. fees were removed many years ago. It is possible that any planet partner can bring them back though. Right now no estates require maintanence fees.

    There is some thread in pcf where the mall owner at that time requested the removal and Mindark agreed finally. It was kind of a historic moment in the game.

    Oh, Rocktropia dungeons under the shops is another thing all together...

    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...d-what-are-the-coords-etc.252200/post-3500884

    Shopkeeper fee is currently 10 pec per sale minimum sale price is tt+1 which is really tt+1.02 with 2 pecs for the taxes. The decay fee means shopkeepers are not worth as much as real shops due to the extra cost and hassle of repairing them. Study the wikis and you'll find the original shopkeeper decay formula, which was very different.


    similar estate related thing is signs, etc.
    Uploading Participant Content (PC) to Sign (PC) | Planet Arkadia Forum

    oh, and stables... those do have fees as you cannot put buffs in them as owner without a cost.

    bit outdated but here's a nice link on shops
    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/shop-guide.205064/post-2994042

    auction fee listed there may be outdated?

    http://www.entropiaplanets.com/threads/mall-shop-and-other-shops.19247/#post-113158 is a shop price thread and there's some website that is linked to from main forum that tracks prices in auction and posts it but I'm not sure on link at the moment.

    Price on Foma and CP should be about 2-3 times higher than Spawn estimates with recent change to put them in non-lootable space right outside of the space station, especially given the number of item points vs other places planet side.
     
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  9. https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/shop-guide.205064/post-2994043 is probably most relevant link...

    in general when it comes to item points they are all over the place.
    Tangerine District places like the U on Rocktropia and shops there have highest number of item points per estate in game. Cannot remember penthouse numbers but it's way up there. I used to have a couple of places on first floor there. Rock also has a new shit hole that only has about 10 item points per estate which is ridiculous. It's also stupid that auction won't tell you number of item points in any estate so you'll have to visit them to find out or just know ahead of time before you bid, or cross your eyes and fingers and hope for the best before you bid.

    For the view Ark apartments are nicest with the big windows.

    Calypso apartment places all have same design and are pure copy/paste. Same with most other places in game more or less to some degree.

    Monria is a bit different since shops are technically on the middle floor instead of lowest floor.

    Calypso shops in apartment basements are pure crap after vu 10 since Mindark left weeds everywhere as they don't know how to connect buildings to floor correctly like a regular low paid dev should.

    Half or more of estates are empty and/or have never been actually sold from estate broker yet. If you get an error message on a terminal I don't think they even created a deed for that yet for the estate broker to hold.

    Toulan apartments and shops are in a super secluded corner of the map and way overpriced at current rates that many are asking imho. One exception to this is the stable which is a shop and stable combo and is right next to the new tab tab taming daily thing so it's actually nicely located but like everything else probably overpriced (pretty sure current owner isn't selling out any time soon)

    I think Cyrene and Next Island are starting to release more estates recently. However those shitty little booths they auctioned off on Next Island had a start bid far higher than actual value those places are worth and that's the same with most estates in game honestly to a degree.

    Monria/Toulan is handing out estates left and right in events and Cyrene did some gambling event not long ago to hand out some booths. It was pure gambling but Mindark approved it so in the future other planets could potentially install casinos as gambling is now officially approved more than it has been in past years as long as the planet partner is running it instead of a normal player (even though most planet and moon owners are to a degree normal players at some level, etc.)

    If you are going to do some running around to other planets I'd suggest doing it around Christmas since we are in December now and most planets do some type of free gift thing.... oh and buy an apartment somewhere before you do since the gift thing typically is 3 tiers... one for everyone, one for those that deposited over a certain amount, and one for estate owners, so if you hold even one apartment deed you qualify for the third gift package or at least do so historically. Some planet partners didn't do gifts last year. Others doubled up...

    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/gift-list.231336/post-3284721 is most accurate list of gifts that I think is out there...
     
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  10. Thank you, this is really helpful as it's important I don't give wrong info in the shop guide.
     
  11. NotAdmin

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    I have the same feeling about all the deeds popping up everywhere. To me it indicates that MA and the PPs are pressed for cash, and regular running of the planet simply isn't generating enough money to keep things afloat. The deeds and overpriced estate sales are just desparate attempts to drag things along for another short period of time, while they hope for a new spark that possibly could bring in some money.
     
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  12. To bring in more money MA and PPs need to bring in more participants, but they're not going to do that unless they start doing concerted advertising, promotion and publicity campaigns. I've not seen ads of any kind anywhere for EU.
     
  13. NotAdmin

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    Ah, but EU is meant to remain an absolute niche market. The infrastructure simply cannot handle huge amounts of players. Things would come to a crawl if several dozens of players end up in the same spot. There's also far too many bugs. I think MindArk gets away with their bugs costing players money, because the amount of people affected is seriously small. If thousands of players would be losing money left and right due to incompetence and/or negligence, there'd be a real possibility of a class-action lawsuit. And finally, by remaining under the radar, MindArk avoids a full-blown investigation on whether or not the game is skill-based, or pure luck-based. It's the latter, but nobody did any proper investigation into this, and thus they get away with pretending it's not just a casino. Which it is.
     
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  14. it'll be interesting to see what happens when Entropia is on Steam with the new game engine. Mir 4 has crypto stuff where you can smelt so many dark steel in to draco coin and then sell it in the real world. The npc that allows the smelting isn't in the steam version of the game. Mindark may need to remove a lot of stuff from steam to make it work like strong box keys, etc.
     
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  15. NotAdmin

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    You know Steam does QA on games being released on it, right? I highly doubt anything in as poor a state and with as many bugs and as close to gambling as EU would be allowed to be on Steam.
     
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  16. Tass

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    Well, unfortunately Steam doesn't do that much QA nowadays, it certainly won't go to GOG :) But with Unreal Engine 5 it would be an Epic timed exclusive anyway ;)
     
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  17. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    They've advertised a tiny amount in the past but never tried that hard really. I think they realise the platform just isn't up to a large unflux of players. It's not like the old days of the original Space Station Sale when Az slashdotted it and the planet was raining oranges for a few days. Good times those. Really enjoyed looking after the newbies who were landing randomly all over the map.
     
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  18. If that is MA's goal then they'll never substantially increase the player base, and just as importantly, retain that increase - stop ppl from leaving. Then more money won't go into the game and so back to square one.
     
  19. If it was it would probably blow their lids.:biggrin:
     
  20. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    Well... it could be they are just a small handful of individuals that wish to maintain their lot. Maybe their aim is not to grow but to remain comfortable and sustainable.
     
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