Conquest forum game: Discussion thread

Discussion in 'About EntropiaPlanets' started by NotAdmin, Jul 4, 2010.

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  1. I can't because I'm not sure it exists
    After you gave us more information on how the game is suposed to work I noticed something odd, my memory can fail me but I believe there was something wrong but it may already have been corrected but something tells me that it wasn't.
    So to report it I have to recreate it.
    And for that I need to wait.
     
  2. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    If you suspect there is a bug, feel free to PM me about it. I can easily recreate the circumstances that would allow me to determine whether there's a bug or a feature.

    Oh, and FWIW, wizzszz's statement about the armour he got seemes plausible to me. Banking money by "investing" it in armour seems like the smart way to protect your moolah.
     

  3. There were no bug reports so far not in PM nor in the bug tracker.
    And the code has not been changed other than to add a check to prevent you from sending troops from below the minimum, which has been announced here.

    If you find a problem, and provide the means so i can recreate it and find the code lines that are not working as they should, i will fix it asap - of course.
     
  4. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Added to the guide now. I'll dive into some of the code and try to see if I can come back with a definite answer on whether there is a random part in the trade system or not.

    I'll also do some other investigations regarding some of the questions raised.
     
  5. Bug confirmed
    I sent gold to an ally and nothing was taxed
    You can remove me from the game if you please.
     

  6. But why? I thought the Tax was dynamic?

    I really do not understand why peeps are getting stressed out, cross and upset over a game......ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!!! And it is if you play for fun!!
     
  7. Lykke TheNun

    Lykke TheNun In Loot We Trust

    Dunno really what this is about.

    Personally I don't see there should be anything for Wizzszz to gain by 'cheating' or keeping the system for himself (or whatever it is you imply) - he is trying to improve the game and make it better even.

    I agree with ROCKchick, that this game should be FUN - it's only a forum game and should be a seed to amusement - not anger.

    I can, however, also see the meaning in not being able to play it (or 'allowed' to) when you're in the EP staff, to avoid any misunderstandings and to shoot down accusations, which is why I withdraw from the Conquest game myself (please remove me, wizzszz) - though I'm not in the tech team and I have no clue about open sources and codes BUT then I'm sure there will be no suspiciousness or questions about my intentions for playing (and tbh, it's not that important to me to be playing - I'm enjoying to see you all enjoy the game, that's all).
     

  8. Being called a cheater and a whiner is not my idea of fun.
    To be called a cheater the rules must be known otherwise it is not fair.
    To be called a whiner when there are reasons to complain also isn't fair.


    You thought that tax was what ?
    Random ?
    I thought that too. I was amazed that trauma got most of what I sent the first time I sold everything (I was going to quit but I was talked out of it)

    No it is not random
    If you send gold or troops to somebody who has more than you tax is 0%


    What is the point of having the game master play if he isn't curious enough to ask those who send him gold and troops what was the the amont they were sending (or directly what was the tax) ?
    Everybody in the foul tribe knows for days that if you send troops to trauma he will get them all.
    Don't you share this sort of informations on the molisk forum ?
    Tell me how can you send troops and gold to wizzszz and not bother to check to see how much he got ?
    I won't tell several reasons why because it is not polite for me to do so.

    Play for win is OK
     

  9. The tax ranges from 0% to 75% - this is NORMAL and the way it is supposed to work - not a bug.

    Narfi is in the foul tribe, he has experiences with how the tax works, because we were in the same "nation" in the beta stage game - why create yet another drama over something that is working as intended?

    And, i will no longer remove people from a running game, it is absolutely laughable that now as the dominance of the foul tribe is in danger, people want to quit... and i think i mentioned it before, it is time consuming, too time consuming.


    You guys are really killing the fun in that little game...


    We transfer troops/gold and don't whine about a perfectly working tax system just because we do not understand all of it - 0% tax in transfers to bigger tribe members is NORMAL and perfectly working as it should.

    And spare me your insinuations, you have already crossed he threshold to "no longer polite", so, go ahead.
     
  10. Strange what I quoted said 50% is normal and it goes to 75% and it was you who wrote it.

    Nowhere I could find that it went from 0 to 75%

    And if I asked narfi a weak ago what would happen if I send all my troops over and over again he would say it was OK and was done in the beta

    And why is the foul in danger ?
    Is there something else we don't know about it ?
     
  11. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    I have been looking at the code for the trading system, and found the following:

    • Taxes are based on the size of your own village troop count, and compared to the troop count of the village you are sending your resources to. If your village is deemed small, the tax rate for both gold and troops is 0%. Other villages will pay up to a maximum of 76%. This process does not contain any randomization.
    • It is possible to send resources to people outside your own tribe.
     
  12. Shadowsong

    Shadowsong Born Again Noob


    Umm, that may not be true... I definitely had way less than 50% of what gomes sent me... when I am active I seldom have any gold on hand.

    (I assume it should read if the beneficiary has 200, the benefactor can send a maximum of 400, but nonetheless, it is not so.)
     
  13. I'm sure that gomes did not have over 700 Gold when he received 35000 so the above is incorrect
    (probably not your fault, since who wrote the code might really wanted to said if the benefactor "value" is 200 you can't send more than 400).

    (I made an attack previous to the transfer and was above him in the richest list so I don't even need to believe his word, I know for sure by myself).
     
  14. Ok I will try and write this, but bear with me as Im not the best at explaining myself in text.

    wizzszz has sorted this game out for this forum (In conjunction with Admin) and its supposed to be a fun game to play within the forum.

    I am in the Moli tribe with wizzszz and he has given us no inside info as far as I know...

    Now I see peeps screaming and shouting about all sorts of stuff..wizzszz responds sometimes a tad defensively (no offense wizzszz) but its his baby and he wants to defend, help, make it better etc, If peeps find a flaw or problem thats gives them an advantage you cant blame him for getting pissed ( If no one tells him.. how can he fix it?)

    Basically I wish everyone would just play the game and if they find something that bugs them... Stay calm.. and PM wizzszz or Admin and they can try and sort it out!

    It really is just a game... and unlike PE/EU it costs nothing to play! So please play for fun or give up and let those of us that want to play have fun doing so!
     
  15. I said 50% tax is NORMAL, i did NOT say this is minimum tax.

    You must've misunderstood something there, minimum troops were 50 in the beta game, hardly worth transferring those, and as far as i remember, nobody even bothered to do that.

    I will not even comment on that - there are probably a gazillion things in the universe you are unaware of.



    And, it has really gone too far now - there is a huge difference between respectfully asking questions about parts of the game you are unable to understand or to figure out on your own, or even add some constructive suggestions and simple trolling.

    What happens here is that some people appear to think they can give their frustrations and aggressions full scope, without any kind of restraints whatsoever - this is below all civilized standards and enough to warrant a temp ban from the forum alltogether.
     
  16. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Sir, I think you might indeed have uncovered a bug there. I had been a wee bit sloppy, and only checked the troops code.

    Upon closer inspection, it seems that the gold function does use troops and not gold as a comparison method. I'mma going to fix this straight away.

    In the meantime, I did add my findings to the new section of the guide, so the information is for all to see. I updated it with the grammatical correction by ShadowSong.
     

  17. This is not correct, the limiting factor for both, gold and troop transfers, is the troop size - means you can indeed send huge amounts of gold to people how have 0 gold (as long as it doesn't exceed twice the troop size of the recipient).
     
  18. I'm sorry for being such a big troll.
     
  19. Shadowsong

    Shadowsong Born Again Noob

    Also not correct, unless the troop value is modded somehow... I had 250 troops when gomes sent his taxed gold transfer mentioned earlier.. nett about 4K gold came through.
     
  20. I don't understand what this means
    Please correct it, there must be a mistake there.
     
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