Someone please remind me...

Seconded. My first 3 months in EU were spent using Eco gear and having the EF community insist I was doing something wrong. I could have screamed till I was blue in the face (in fact I might have) but nobody heard the facts, instead they spouted whatever they thought might get them a gift HOF from MA.

It was me who ended up having to restructure my gaming to a point where I felt like what I was doing was actually worthwhile. Did that make me profitable? No. Raw hunting/mining/crafting will never be profitable for me. Im not one of the lucky few. I ended up having to get creative. The game is now socially fulfilling for me, and I help make the starting process better for alot of new players now due to my change in philosophy. Some of those players can even claim substantial profit based on what I have taught them. As for monetarily fulfilling, well --- we cant have it all.

I can also Second your longtooth experience. Over the long term the Longtooth hunts have been a break even experience for me, but I have to be willing to lose 2000-3000 PED before I make it back.

 

I understand where the OP is coming from.

I recently, for the first time, posted an absence announcement on my society website. I just wanted my soc mates to know that I was alive and well despite not logging into EU for weeks.

The reason is that it doesn't seem like fun any more. I've had losses over the almost five years I've been in game, but have not minded depositing to pay for the game. However, in recent times those losses seem to be accelerating, meaning I spend less time ingame.

Mindark really need to open their eyes. I'm now filling my time with a PS3. I can pay full price for a game on the PS3 and it will cost me £30 - 40. That something like 500 - 650 peds if my maths are correct. As we all know, 500 - 650 peds can be lost in a few hours if you go for a big mob, mine alot or craft alot. Or it can last months on the playstation.

Really, what option is a sensible person going to chose?

 

exactly correct and I second this completelly. I rather spend my money in the shop to get me a DVD game for my PC. Recently I played out games like halflife 2 episode 1, Crysis, Prey, Mass Effect 2, etc. So much more worth my money in funfactor.

Swedish GREED has ruined Entropia Universe forever. Sadly I had to do the same thing with my SOC. I miss the old days when I could through ingame activities be a active soc-member.

Why dont MA get it? If they keep it cheap they can milk more people that register and play. Now theyre taking a smaller group of depositors for all they got. Is it perhaps due to so many people who have left the game? If so why must we suffer for it?

Mindark is screwing themselves btw. If they dont fix it, les and les people will play EU. I see people chipping out a lot latelly due to exactly this very ugly side of Mindark. I also see a lot of players simply playin 2-3 days in a month and for the rest of the time no ingame activities at all. I depo 100 dollars and its gone in 2 days mining. Go figure. For the rest of the time I just dont log in anymore. But I am starting to think its not worth it wasting 100 bucks in 1-2 days this way. Yep, I might just cease outright.

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Tom do you know whats even sadder? Theyre too damn smug and arrogant to even read what we write here and take heed. Theyre doomed by their own making. I think they prefer to read the other goodytwoshoes brownnosing forum where this subject probably isnt even up for discussion, cos peops starting a thread like this get kicked, slapped around and banned for it. Well tbh I wouldnt know I never step foot into the other forum. It feels too much like a kindergarden for the blind and mentally challenged. I vallue honesty and freedom of speech and maturity and thats where EPF is way ahead of the rest.

 

This is fast turning into a full blown conspiracy thread. Let's keep the rampant speculation as to MA and EF's business motivations out of this discussion. We simply dont know... and running around pointing fingers just makes us look nonsensically angry. Ultimately that discredits anyone in this position.

Im not saying dont criticise MA, or EF, or Bob the Builder, or even Big Bird. If youve got something concrete to say about anything that can be backed up by verifiable evidence, then by all means say it. The problem lies in the he said she said's of speculation. If you do it whats to stop them from speculating about you and your motivations, rolling their eyes, and forgetting?

 

Very revealing. They get us addicted and look down upon us as if theyre supperior. Does any drugpusher have the feelings of resposibillity towards his junkies? Clearly this falls under the same.

It surprizes me that no-one started to seriously do a online anti-mindark campaign. You know hit the grass with a cane to chase the snakes. They run the whole thing in a way to render us clients totally powerless to do anything and they force their evil will in greed upon us. Theres gotto be a way to make em listen somehow. How do you get peops with warped perception and blinded by greed to realize their MO is totally wrong and seriously inflicting grief on people around the world? Do they care? Why not?

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He He He, I did not think about that. Yet human nature is such that a man must bump his head first to learn a lesson. Word alone might just not be enough. I mean many peops will indeed go ahead and start a account to play just to fall hard financially. Then theres human curiosity, and I suspect MA likes this part cos peops will get curious enough to go see what all the damn fuss is about. Good advertizement for em, yet they cant hold onto the new clients.

Ive been to Denmark once and I liked it. I find Danish peops way more mentally and humanly supperior to Swedish peops in general. Too bad the game was not invented by a Dane tho. I wonder....did the inventor actually foresee his invention to become what it is today? A greedmachine moneyvacuum or a fun-fun-fun game for all?

I still love the game and its well done, just that the way its mannaged and how it evolved over the years is just apalling. I am but a game junk wishing her pedsies can last a bit longer to have fun like before.

 

Has it ever occured to you uncle pete, that Mindark diabolically manages the whole thing in such a diabolic way as to render us helpless regarding proof? I honestly do not see heavy metal music as part of politics, but hey each for his own huh? I never said Entire sweden is rotten to the core, but if the shoe fits..... What happened in WW2 is past and history sure, what i was on about the possible results of that today.

But i appologize. as a human being I get fumed too u know. I wont say such things again.

Is Tom and myself liars? Do we realy need proof to voice our discontentment regarding our losses? How can we prove to you or anyone else the moneys we lost so fast? Why should we? When I have an issue against someone and he sais prove it, that is an admision of guilt in itself, he has somethin to hide. Uncle Pete, can you prove that your peds dont go as far as it used to before? Is not all the money-milking implimentations and lootpooltweaks proof enough? We are all collonists here talking about the same game right? Are Tom and I liars?

 

I dont think the proof of anything lies in the fact that you or anyone else lost money, but rather in how you lost money, and whether that how is controllable by you, or controllable only by MA.

An advocate for MA at this point could discredit the arguments being presented here simply by saying that the user has a choice as to how much they deposit and what they do with those deposits.

In short -- you need something more concrete than a simple statement that people are losing money. In any speculative enterprise the speculator takes that risk.

 

I will let you know I havent changed the amount of my frequent depos or the style of mining. I dont think Tom has either. Not so very long ago a 100 Dollars US, lasted me weeks of fun gameplay, now it lasts a few days. Do the math!!!!

 

Doing the math has absolutely nothing to do with it. Everyone knows the results in this game are not consistent. Its a speculation whether you or anyone else will do well or not on any given run. You knew this going into it.

Im not suggesting MA are angels. What I am suggesting though is that certain users dont seem to be able to come to grips with the fact that they themselves have caused their own financial losses in the game by continuing trends of large deposits to follow old habits which clearly are not working. You have alternatives. Use them.

Take some personal responsibility.

 

Something I want to add to my earlier post. I'm not someone to metaphorically beat Mindark over the head with critisism on a whim or for trivial reasons. But when I see the game (and it is a game, it provides entertainment regardless of the RCE aspect) going downhill sharply in the way that I feel it is, as a participant I have to say something.

Since VU10, we have lost taming, beacons, hangars and other stuff I can't remember right now. And we've gained shinney new graphics, tiers (a work of genius, by the way) and vehicles. But don't MA think that the stuff that wasn't re-implemented at VU10 should've taken precidence over the new stuff? The hangars are a great example of people not being able to earn back their investment because its not been re-implemented.

I truely believe that Entropia Universe/Planet Calypso has the potential to be great, but because MA have pissed so many people off with changes (and I'm not talking about simply doing things differently, like replacing peds in loot with animal oils) and the daddy-of-them-all the apparent mis-management of the loot system that now sucks people dry, I am honestly starting to think that in the not too distant future the EU platform will be on the brink of closing. Closing because people will think "fuck this, there's cheaper, better for value entertainment available than this."