The awfull stench of rotting fish:(

Discussion in 'The Black Hole' started by MistressArwen, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day

    OKay let me make one thing clear to avoid any more missunderstandings. I under no curcumstances am saying Joe is not desrving of his ath. :banghead: Tho silently some may think ND handing Joe a envelope full of cash wouldve been more in line than havin famous superuber Joe hit a ATH tower.

    Joe if u read this gratz and I hope you enjoy it to the max. I know I would :)

    Yes you got the threat u waited for, if the timing was correct and ND waited with the tower alocation for a couple of months or so, this threat may never have come up.

    This thread is purelly based on the logic of it all.:bduh:
     
  2. Lykke TheNun

    Lykke TheNun In Loot We Trust

    I would rather you called me Lykke, and nothing else, thanks.

    And to me it looks like theories only, and nothing is proven - there's no 'logic' in what you're saying whatsoever. I do believe the game is 'dynamic' but not the way you believe it is, is that fair to you? As you can post your 'feelings' about the game here, so can I. And I believe this game is so dynamic, that 'I would never get' doesn't exist.
     
  3. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day


    Even IRL there are many theorists who are aclaimed and honored for it, especially mathematicians, scientists and astronomers yet nothing proven at all. It is simple Lykke, 1 + 1 = 2 or 2 domes + Joe & Jon = ATH of 11 k usd on RT. Go figure lol

    it smells like a fish, the hell yeah! Its gotto be a fish, just dont ask me to taste it pls :)
     
  4. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    You stated nothing but speculation. I'd say the only fact is that Squalxd bought two domes and he hit an ATH a few weeks later. Everything else you posted is nothing but guesswork.

    If that was the case, I would think it'd be far more rigged than it seems to be. It'd also have been easy for any authority to close MindArk's shop. And as much as I think the loot system is flawed, and as much as I am convinced that loot allocations do take place every now and then (the ATH hit by LeeLoo LeeLoo Mountain that "accidently" happened to coincide with CANAL+ filming springs to mind), I do not believe that what you describe is accurate.

    Pray tell, what exactly did your "grandpaw" look at?

    As I just said, there's a few weeks between the buying of the domes and the towers. So "immediately" is quite a stretch. As others pointed out, Squallx plays EU for a living. He literally does this as his job. Therefore the amount of PEDs he cycles gives him a bigger chance of hitting it big.

    It really is similar to you buying a single lottery ticket every week, while he buys them by the hundreds, and you then noticing he won the jackpot, and wondering how that could happen. It's seriously nothing more complicated than that. Squalx is a high roller in the MA casino, who sits at their tables for many more hours than you do, and he shoves chips back and forth by the bucketloads.

    He is bound to hit it big every now and then. So are you, if you play as much and pump around as much money. Participating and burning PED increase your chances of hitting it big.

    What you ought to be asking is whether the ATH he hit actually makes him profit or not. Because if you burn A109 amps by the dozens, I can assure you your money will dissappear fast. The ATH he hit might actually just be covering a large part of his losses, rather than being 100% profit.
     
  5. To be honest Im a little tired of threads that put members of the community on trial. If its not one member of the community trying to rip someone off through their radio station, its another member of the community ripping people off by conspiring with MA and NEVERDIE.

    It breeds bad blood within the community as accusations fly, and makes the community look selfish, petty, and jealous to outsiders. It also potentially ruins new player experiences because in their quest to find out how the game works they read jealous threads like these. I know. I was one of the players that looked at these threads and thought "is this for real?"

    I tested it, and though over time and with knowledge of trends per area and per mob the test proved false, if I was less of a patient person I could have easily given up after my first 6 weeks, and with the numbers I had obtained thought that all the accusations of rigging were true.

    They arent. If theres any rigging it cant be proven yet. So how about we just relax, have fun, and worry about our own yard for a change instead of looking across the street and getting mad at the neighbors.
     
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  6. funny thread :P this is a conspiracy !
    what u dont seem to know is that i have been mining this place for a very long time ever since rocktropia got introduced with ma109, simply cause i found nice spots over there,it was a fresh air, no greendot, flat land, and it was grindable enough the way i do it.
    After having purchased few domes i had not enough cash to craft as i used to so i used my time to mine more and i found out mining got so much better with vehicules (lot of time saved) and other hidden factors so i had lot more turnover past weeks with ma109 aswell as more motivation than past all months before (i actually burnt like 6000 probes ma109 in not even 2 weeks or something)
    i was about to get my 4 th domes when i got my ath, about to sell an imk2 where i had a share in it (which got sold anyway) and this ath is helping me to have extra cash for craft soon (which is not much compared to backup i use usually crafting wise) or who knows, maybe ill find a way to get another dome soon again =), iam not counting on that for sure xD
    So where did this ath come from ? try to use ma109 only all the times, be able to drop and extract 200 probes in little hours, do it a lot and iam sure if ud been mining on rt like i was.. ud have gotten the same.
    did i grinded large enough and long enough and the fact not much mine on rt gave me an advantage to trigger this find ?
    Is loot pool general and does someone mining alone in a place get more chance at an ath than other with also crazy ammount of mining done, i dare say technics aswell and other factors ?
    how good are range enhancers too ? ;)

    or maybe someone at rocktropia pushed a button... i certainly DOUBT about it ...
     
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  7. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space

    I have to agree MsArwen, that your content is all speculation, regardless of what reasoning you offer. Deathifier makes a good point as well, but ... MindArk said publicly that they will continue to manage the RCE factor across the board, and ... unless someone has absolute empirical evidence that there is something rotten in Denmark (sorry Lykke & Peter, and anyone else living in Denmark, it's just a slang phrase that started with Shakespeare's Hamlet basically meaning "foul play") ... then anything offered is strictly speculation.

    Now ... do I think that my getting my 81k+ ATH on April 2nd 2008, which was right on my 3rd year anniversary, was intentional? Not even for a minute, because at the time, I was going hot and heavy with the crafting, which was well documented at EF, and there was enough PED involved with all the crafting of the OA-101's at the time to warrant more than one ATH, or mini-ATH's, which happened with others as well, very close to mine. As a matter of fact, they were all getting them on the crafting machine that I used and continued to use, with people like TOAST and Torlin, and others rackin' up multiple 5-figure loots.

    I don't know whether loot pools are planet or location specific (look at CND and CP as well), but one thing I do know ... MA controls the RCE factor, as well as the code, and anything we think about how it all goes down is pure speculation and personal opinion, and not based on empirical evidence, which is fact.

    Personally, I don't think there's anything fishy about Squall's ATH whatsoever, and feel that it is definitely well-deserved. I also have to agree with those who say that when you start playing the number of consistent hours he does, and sink as much money into EU as he does on a consistent basis, not to mention what USD it took to purchase two domes ($50,000), or maybe 3 by now, and you don't get barely or any return on that investment, then maybe we have something to talk about.

    Deathifier is a huge investor for a long time now, and someone I have complete respect for in how he handles his business, so perhaps he has more of a position to speak from than we do in this matter from personal experience, so I'm definitely interested in his perspective, rather than continued speculation that is pure personal opinion without substance to support anything definitively.

    Oh, and ... Magyar ... I just couldn't have said it more eloquently. You are now one of two of my most favorite writers in our community ... Janus being the other. You have such an incredible talent as a writer, so thank you for taking the time to share your critical thoughts and perspectives, they are appreciated. And yup, I am having a love affair with your writing if that wasn't clear already. :D

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  8. Lmao. Now Im starting to get self conscious! A wierd personality quirk of mine is that criticism is often more comfortable for me than praise. I simply dont know what to say! :redface:
     
  9. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space

    I can fully appreciate that sentiment my friend, and while I've learned about your personality quirks, it still doesn't negate the fact that you are indeed an exceptional writer, and I have no hesitation when it comes to pointing out someone's skills or talents as I see them ... same with the musicians and artists that we have in our community. You just happen to have a talent for something that I am incredibly passionate about. ;)

    Don't be a dick and accept the compliment. Does that work for you? :D (j/k of course) ;)
     
  10. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day

    I have to admit to all here I have indeed been speculating/theorizing, not quite a inhuman thing either. So too does theoretical physics. But does that make me a bad person? Enuff said bout all of this. I just depod 1,2K peds and Im iching to go waste it all in the name of fun. Now I also realize how viable RT is for mining and im goin, but first I need to pick up my new brukite textured outfit from my socmaster :) Hold thumbs Im realy goin for ATH, lol yeah right thats gonna happen he he he I just love mining its my Virtual life.
     
  11. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day

    o my! *Blushes*:) did NOT expect you to respond Joe. I genuinly appreciate it especially the feedback. OMG its mindblowing the ped cycle you mine at. I wonder, do you craft em 109s or buy them? If you had to only resort to buying them, would you have used up as many as you have used in such a short time?

    BTW Joe Thanx:) Huggz and Kisses :) If ever u wanna make a pretty gall happy with a spare ampsie, well....I so wont mind bein that girl:) Cos i am proudly a miner and a big fan :)
     
  12. btw, its steve saber who told me about this thread so i figured id come post a bit of my input =)

    i mostly do everything to the max or i dont do it.. kinda some "perfectionism" i guess.

    I am a crafter of ma109, so for me its even more motivating to be able to sell and also use them without being limited by offers.
    i mean they are good amps viable at % used
    (mind u in long run u do make some extra peds by crafting them but i have no advantages since i use them at % i sell them and u can trust me when i say they are way too cheap compared to the investment u make to be able to craft them and return at such low %, i got even pissed off when they are already hard at 126% and some people like to be annoying and sell at even more loss, well id rather just mine with them in that case, much better from my point of view)

    they sell very good, i dont use them because i got too much, just because in the exemple of last weeks, i only craft ma109 oa109 and few stuff, and got spare times more to mine with my own ma109 that are viable so its cool, i wouldnt use oa109 obviously since whatever u do with them, if u dont get the 185% markup back u cant make it viable and there is only pvp4 as decent fields where u can expect to "survive with a oa109 at such price",
    a 126% amp is a whole different world considering how good is matter mining nowdays ;) so i can grind harder, and recycle more amps aswell on this particular one atm, everytime i have some nice spare times, i try to go mining with ma109, but when iam in full crafting mode, u barely find extra time to do that, mining takes lot of times.

    If i was to be forced to buy, things would have been roughly the same since i would still have seen that they are low prices
    (but if i wasnt crafting them maybe they wouldnt be that easy to get and that cheap overtime tho )
    so i would have used them if i find good combos anyway, markup paid vs markup found vs tt vs other hidden factors.

    so anyway, crafting or buying is the same things, apart if by crafting it would mean amp would be for tt but its not the case :p

    goodluck !
     
  13. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day

    Aww:) u r a honey Joe:) TYVM for all that info. BTW as I logged out yesterday, I got a nice hit in Solfias Carter, and thats just me on 101 amps. Using a Z25 and e-MINE enmat finder, both enhanced only for debth. I honestly cant be bothered with range enhancers. Always amped. My Mom wil lpost pic of HOF on forum.

    Also do I so love my Humvee, aint they great? Especially the mobile storage is perfect for us Miners. I just stay tuned to AHR and drive from claim tyo claim after a mining run to exract em all. My car rocks)

    And about this thread, I appologize for bein wrong and realize that its pure coincidence. call it a blond moment if u will pls :)

    Hope to run into u sometime in-game. Mine -on! *Huggz* May the HOF be with you :)
     
  14. Well I'll put my 2 PEC in. With computers nothing is truly random. Second EU is product of MA. EU's whole reason for being here is to provide a service of entertainment through which the owning company makes money. Like any business in the world--certain favors or opportunities come to those that can increase the value of entertainment. Yeah it's all random and many variables are out there--but someone has to make those variables. With that just enjoy the entertainment you get :) .
     
  15. Quoted for truth. I'm sure supporting this will open up a bunch of outcries of "well its not fair blah blah" but I don't care. Life isn't fair. Get over it. Move on. Thank you. :-)
     
  16. MistressArwen

    MistressArwen Smile, makes someones day

    Dont understand why you felt it nececary to necro this thread. But ok, life aint fair, so why should virtual life NOT be fair? Anyway it is all a (F)unfair :)
     


  17. My bad. I didn't know ~10 days was a necro post :P I never said it was unfair--I do like your twist of calling it funfair though...
     
  18. TimUnleashed

    TimUnleashed Southern Fortress Engineering

    Perhaps the loot pool doesn't have to always be in the black for MA - perhaps it doesn't need to "build up first" - maybe it can build up after... If I was MA I wouldn't mind that, as long as the figures still balance the same way, who cares if he gets his 110k before he's built it up? Also, maybe it's not specific to one planet.

    Aside from that, I've gotta say that if someone DID want to hand squall 11k US (and that such funds were owed to him), doing it via the loot pool is not only ridiculously public and a mindboggling stupid way of trying to keep things under wraps (since all it does is fuel conspiracy theories), but it would also be unfair on squall that he'd have to forego his NORMAL loot to allow for the 11k (assuming, still that he's owed it). If I was squall in that situation, I'd MUCH prefer to receive the 11k some other way, AND get a normal return on my mining...
     
  19. Stave

    Stave Guest

    Umm mindark handles the loot not ND studios?



    This is one of the the kinds of bullshine thats stopping me reading forums so much...
     
  20. the only thing useful from this thread that I gathered was from xxsqualxxx's post that made me think it was time for me to take a mining trip to rocktropia. the rest was blah blah conspiracy blah blah why him and some posts that were vainly trying to stop people from their favorite pass-time of finding conspiracies. I think most people agree that there's no such thing and even if it were there would be nothing you could do and you probably wouldn't find out about it...must say I agree with stave and say these threads are really useless and damaging to a comunity...
     
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