I was following the auction of an apartment for the price an apartment shoud be on this game (It was running about 89Ped when I last looked) when suddenly some Anthony Joseph Hughes came out from nowhere and threw in 300. Now, unless he is the owner trying to raiise interest (and failing as apartments are empty) he better come up with a very good excuse, because it is an odd coincidence that apartments cannot be found for less than 400Ped. And not because they are very popular or everybody wants one, they are all empty as nobody really wants to pay that price unless they have a shop to use it as a depo, or if they want to build a shop nobody really goes to visit as the interior design is usually tetric and reminds me more if I am allowed to constructive critiscism, of a prision cell than a high tech apartment proper. And all apartments seem to be empty, ghost towns. I have heard of investment companies trying to play Monopoly in the game, could this "guy" be a sockpuppet? What is MA instance towards multiple accounts? It would be fun owning an apartment surrounded by other people where you could virtually interact, perhaps even build up friendships, however right now, towns have turned into ghost towns, and not in my sane mind as a new player on this game I will want to own something on an abandoned building on the middle of nowhere surrounded by PvP, as this apartment is. I wonder if these investors are really getting something out of it. As I am in critical mode, the malls usually look as bathhouses. My very personal opinion is that they seem very uninviting, Ill rather sell my loot on the streets, some other markets around thought look great, as modern versions of post modern markets buildt around the 20 century I personally like those howeverr they do not seem to have space for shops. Are other players really helping when decide to sell shops on malls nobody really go to (trade spoiler: we have Twin Tower open market and port Atlantis Harbor is not bad either) for more than 5000? I dont think this price is realistic outside of Port Atlantis and Twin Peaks, sad perhaps but lets face it. :) I mean come on, do their majority really sell that bps junk we can buy at any Technician (another trade spoiler?) So serious, who is that person: "Anthony Joseph Hughes"? And when will we have an estate market for players of the game only? If there is a monopoly, I want to break it: Sell only to people who you know are players, and have mercy: 5000 for a virtual shop? I really do not believe one can profit out of selling public technician bps, trade terminal guns and swords on almost empty malls (if not entirely) and dream of trying to sell it for that absurd price. Come on people wake up, ND is at least original and brought famous people into the game with his will to thrive, you will not succeed if you do what everyone else is doing and specially when they are doing it like this. Some people have too much money or are just... ... I am willing to give 90ped on an apartment at any moment to drop my dung and cheap armor. NEVER over 300, thats just absurd and laughable as I see it, I am no Neverdie and much probably neither are any of you out there making up prices out of your ... :) ...without really giving anything at least slightly enjoyable or friendly in return.
You are going to be hard pressed to find an apartment on Calypso for under 300ped. If you want an apartment in the ~100ped range you would need to go to FOMA Fortune, I bought one from there for ~125ped last year if I remember right just so I could use the public advertisement system. (only estate owners can use the ad system) I agree that prices could or should be lower for the use you get from them, and that it is sad that so many are empty. However you do youself and the avatar you accuse a disservice when you try and drag them down in the same thread. It would appear that they simply are bidding on a piece of property and don't want to waste the time with micro bids every 15 minutes until the auction is over. They know what it will sell for, and bid just under that, or so I would assume. You also need to realize that even on Calypso there are different sized apartments and apartments in different locations. I know nothing about this particular auction or apartment, but did you look into that before you bid? As for shops and booth prices, yes they are pretty expensive and for the average player that is cost prohibitive, even for an investing business minded player it isn't a sure money maker. That doesn't mean that anyone buying one is a market manipulator though. Here is a little bit of a perspective for you. On Rocktropia which has just a fraction of the players that Calypso has a Shop sold for ~17500ped in auction, I know first hand that it would have gone for 20k or more but the second bidder lost connection at the end. (the bidding had already extended the auction time 30minutes or more) I own a booth there which I would not sell for 5k peds. Market value of anything in this game depends on 2 things, the amount the seller is willing to sell for, and the amount the buyer is willing to buy for. While actual usefulness value should be considered by the buyer before figuring out what he is willing to pay, that is many times not a factor in the market price of stuff here. There are enough rifts in the community right now, so you might consider not accusing people every time you aren't sure of something. IMO your questions would have been just as valid without trying to drag someones name into the mud over it. gl and have fun :) narfi
Hohoho, my considerations (not arguments) are pretty valid, as they merely reflect what I have been hearing from other gamers since day one in here. No trying to drag anybody "in the mud" my friend, if I insult that person at any time please specify where so I can explain what I ment with my observation. I am the one who feels insulted, hence the post. As you are entitled to wrong assumptions about the nature of my words, I noticed the tag "MEDIA TEAM" right below your avatar... ...so perhaps this explains why you seem defensive about Anthony Joseph Hughes maneuver. Observations and considerations, as anyone who jumps an auction from 89 to 300 for things like an empty apartment far, far away, on a empty building on the middle of nowhere surrounded by PvP is boud to call people's attention, SPECIALLY of those following or bidding for such space. Is it wrong to speculate about such individual if he seems to speculate with our objects of interest on this game? Ill make it short: is he real, a multiple account manager, or the owner of the apartment using another account? Is he a friend of the owner bidding for him? And who on this game uses their real name to play? I really do not see how this is "throwing someone's name on the mud", as the only thing being "thrown on the mud" on this game are people's expectation based on what the game promises in return for their hard earned money, but nevermind this, perhaps some people just want to be fooled. Perhaps some people even enjoy being fooled, talking about negative attention. I have even checked my former spelling to see if there was something wrong on what I wrote as english is not my first language. I am merely wondering, as I would love to meet that person in game, I really would, so I could sell 1 papploo fruit for 300ped (as they are way out more rare to find than an empty apartment on this game, lol), is there anything wrong on that? Please I would like to know if there is, just explain to me where. :) So I believe that Anthony Joseph Hughes can speak for himself if there is something wrong with anything I wrote, I just do not see where. I actually dislike having to write this in here, however the odd nature of this move by that person, assuming it is a real person as you say, just made me consider doing so. And I thank you for the suggestion to take to Fortuna, I would love to, next time I have at 80ped to spend on teleporting back and forth to check the place (almost the price of the apartment bidding before Anthony Joseph Hughes showed up, I am sure it is as cool as the other apartments. :) My best regards.
Lord long, Really the apartment market shows that they go for minimum 300 PED. Maybe ones at fortuna might be a little less now but only because they are much more useless than planet side ones. Anyhow .... Really its not worth your time looking for a conspiracy on a 300 PED apartment bid when there are so many other much more likely conspiracies to sink your forum posting teeth into (where.s the globals?, what's with cnd on Next Island, how come so and so always seems to be on HOF list, who bought FPC ... It goes on and on).
You will not find any apartment for sale for under 300-500 PED unless your on that filthy asteroid and even then its possibly a little more. The community and resellers know what these things sell for and what they are roughly valued at. you will see it a lot with items where someone throws a big cash amount on an item as they are prepared to pay that, just because its possible to make a smaller bid on i, it does not mean people will follow that trend.
I would understand if it was a natural fluctuation. What made me wonder (again, I am just thinking about it as I do not yet have a formed opinion) is that the auction price was raised artificially. It was not a natural move - from a group of about 5 to 10 people bidding 1 Ped at each turn of the clock it was agroup of 5 to 10 people posting 1 ped at a time on the hope of getting an apartment = fun and excitement reaching the mark of 89ped, untill someone shows up bidding 300 killing all other bids - hence an artificial fluctuation of the most obvious form. No conspiracy, whatever this word implies here either as I have more to do in life and I am talking about a fact. (the value WAS violently raised on the exact half of a bidding week timespan) So it did happen and anyone who checks what I am talking about will see the bid, it is there at the auction right now. I just dont want to go about the (empty) apartment buildings or bath house looking malls :) just to find out that this same character or any other character happens to own some if not many of them so I am asking here to gather more information about this sort of thing from other players beforehand. If I ever do what would actually cost me less and it would be as fun as a hunt or mining, to go about the (abandoned) buildings searching for same owner can I post in here the results of my search to bury this rumor (if it is indeed a rumor) once and for all? So as a depositing player (ergo, potentially an investor) meeself... ...another interesting aspect is that some people seem warbound to the argument of values stipulated by the market (tt) and take it as a circular argument that reminds me of that part on the movie Idiocracy where Joe wants to understand why people drink Brawndo: > Values can change and values do change - not just upward - so beware big buyers! :) not of me because I am a nobody on this game, I really am, but of others making you pay more for less. The game is fun, and it could get even funnier, so why get stuck on the same problems when they can be solved is what I am trying to understand, it would benefit everyone. :) I am willing to pay up to 90ped (perhaps less depending on the location and type) for an apartment or a shop in one of those abandoned buildings inside one of these ghost towns, even the ones surrounded by PvP (perhaps) and any owner of such places on such locations is more than welcome to sell for me for that price right away, I have the money and I have the will to make it work, that's all I am saying in here for the moment. My start offer is however 30Ped.
Then you'd better hope FPC releases afew thousand new apartments because there is no way prices will drop that much in 2011. The 300 ped bid was a normal price for an apartment.
It is the stipulated price because some people are forcing that price on the market, the normal price was running about 30 to 89ped, as this is the value are usually bidding for untill some magic character comes along and throws it over 300 in just one blow. I do understand the concerns of some real estates owners in here as they payed probably big money being ensnared by some big players (and I dont mean big players as in very active players, I mean big players on the terms of money) however all I am saying is: the way this is happening is bad for the whole atmosphere of the game, and at some point this market is bound to crash, as apartments and shops are empty, so buyers beware.
Seeing that the generic price is around 300-400 Ped I would assume that the individual didn't feel like playing the bidding game and put in thier top bid. No need to think something is wrong with that. Have seen many that don't feel like playing the game and want to get to the end.
Not sure where you got that info from, but it's wrong. PEAuction shows you the price of all auctions that didn't sell at buyout: PEAuction.com - Item Listing - Estate Deed NB This list is for (almost) all estate deeds so the high values are most likely for shops etc rather than apartments. As you can see, the cheapest estate sold in the last month went for 254 PED. If any were sold lower than that, they were sold at buyout price, which would only mean that the seller is an idiot.
Now why would a seller be an idiot if he or she wishes to sell for a lower price, perhaps because by selling cheaper he or she can actually sell, and not just keep the price at an artificial height? The buildings are empty, nobody is really buying any apartment (except perhaps shop owners from PA, TP and NO for storage) and if you see the list of apartments on the bid list that is running right now, very few of them have more than a single bid if any bid at all, and it is usually the ones with bid starts around 30 ped, well at least until the Fiat players come along and throw in 300/400 to keep the price artificially high. No need to offend some apartment owner for being a bit more realistic, just saying. Again, I am willing to pay up to 90 for a space anywhere on this game so I can do my thing in here (read: financial/marketing magic) so if there is any enlightened owner out there willing, do contact me. :)
Ya know, you are taking a very interesting position with your offer. From experience, I understand why nobody is putting a buyout less than like 300 or so, this is because they paid at least that or more in the first place and aren't willing to lock in that kind of a loss. But you are right that the universe is ready for a market correction, at least on apartments. And I am willing to join you in your offer. So add me to the list of folks who are willing to purchase an apartment deed on calypso for 90 PED. Come on, who else wants to join the revolution?