Scammer Discovered

Discussion in 'The Black Hole' started by SevvyS, Nov 9, 2009.

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  1. lol ok Safara, belive what you wish.. You have a scammer in your soc, its simple as that.. he is lying to you, and your falling for it like a mug :) Forget i even mentiond it.. Delete this thread if you wish Admin..

    GL TDO :)
     
  2. EMW

    EMW

    yes that goes double for me, why on earth you think i or we rather would bother to take the time and effort we did today is beyond me! nevertheless, fact(and yes its a fact) ... scammed me and has multiple accounts and is now in your soc with another ava! by the way as a ps, the last soc I went to these lengths to help with a scammer didnt take notice either until the scammer scammed them out of a full tt esi!

    I have nothing to gain from what we did here, so as sevvy says good luck to you and feel free to close or delete this thread :banghead:
     
  3. safara

    safara Pamwe Chete

    Please reread what I wrote SevvyS and EMW :)

    I said that TDO had taken steps, pending further response over the duplicate EF accounts :)

    Thanks again for your time this evening :)

    Time for a Beer then Bed ;)
     
  4. You said something about this should be called "Duplicate EF blah something"

    When that is just a small part of the scam, which lead to him getting caught.

    He HAS allready scammed EMW.. Many people know this allready, if you want to speak to others about it?

    And you admit that you agree that he owns multiple accounts, thefore you must agree that he owns the "..." account, which is obvious and a fact.. and its also a FACT that ... scammed 4k~ from EMW..

    So if you know ... is ..., and you know ... has scammed EMW.. then what more proof do you need?

    Even tho our word should be enough in the first place.. infact i dont even feel you had any reason to see the PMs, as i have laid these cards on the table, its up to you (or .../.../...) to prove otherwise.

    You simply do NOT want to belive it, so are looking for absoloutly any excuse to disbelive what ive posted..

    But like i said, i really dont care what you do, we know for 100% he is a scammer, should you choose to keep him in your soc, thats up to you.. Perhaps he no longer scams.. but still a scumabg :)
     
  5. safara

    safara Pamwe Chete

    SevvyS,

    I shall repeat.

    Thank you for for your time this evening. You showed me information regarding duplicate accounts on EF. Thank you.

    Steps have been taken on this, pending further response. TDO will not have members within it with multiple accounts.

    This is the only proof I was shown this evening. The rest is all hearsay to me. Not saying it did not happen - but you provided no proof of these further allegations.

    This case is closed as far as TDO is concerned.

    Spike - The Disturbed Ones.
     
  6. Great to know TDO do not take scamming aligations seriously.. and just throw them away as Hear Say.

    EMW was scammed by this guy, and he's told you that.. why would he lie.. why would i make up anything in any of the first post?? I just dont understand why you dont belive it ?

    And this is very fitting here: The actions of the members (Leader) of a soc define it.

    I really do hope you guys don't get scammed because of your negligence.. It really would be a shame, especially when i've done everything now to try and help.. At least the community know, i guess.
     
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  7. safara

    safara Pamwe Chete

    OK, once again SevvyS :)

    TDO do take scamming allegations very seriously, and all such instances will be investigated. But I have not been shown any proof that a scam in this case has happened. You may well have information that you have yet to show.

    I would suggest you file a support case with the proper authorities at MA should either you or Entropias Most Wanted feel you have been scammed.

    Indeed, our actions, and reactions to situations do define us as a SOC. As mentioned yesterday, steps were taken. Due to evidence of duplicate EF accounts the avatar in question was suspended yesterday from TDO pending further response.

    I thank you again for your concerns towards the TDO society, and hope a satisfactory resolution from MA is forthcoming regarding your loss, should you have reported the matter.

    Should any further information come to light that may help your case, I will get in contact with you.

    Spike - The Disturbed Ones.
     
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  8. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    And on that note, we'll close the thread. If new info pops up, it can be reopened.
     
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  9. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    I was asked to reopen the thread. After giving what was presented some thought, we have decided to do so, but we will keep a close eye on the thread in order to ensure things stay civil.
     
  10. First I want to say that I have no evidence or knowledge that indicates that ... is or is not a scammer. By reading the original post, I am inclined to believe that some dishonest trade activity took place and that ... is guilty. However, some things really stand out in that original post and they make me wonder a bit....

    Second I want to say that EMW warned the NBK that Travis CEO Byers was a scammer and EMW turned out to be right.

    What throws me off about that original post is the emphasis placed on ... real life gender. Here is why that point is an issue that sticks out for me.

    EMW has on many occasions (I think Sevvy too) verbally attacked and slandered men who operate female avatars. EMW has been known to get very hostile and abusive toward them, calling them transvestites, queers, etc in the open chat channel in game.

    On one occasion, EMW tried to label someone in the NBK as an "armor scammer". When I questioned EMW about this, it turned out that there was no armor scam. EMW then tried to label the NBK member as a "trust scammer" because he operates a female avatar and for awhile allowed people to believe he was in fact female in real life.

    The entire reason why EMW tried to slander that person and ruin his reputation is because the guy operates a female avatar. What turned out to be a matter of just not wanting to disclose his IRL gender led to people believing the is in fact female which then led to him having to play the part. Eventually enough was enough and he grew tired of people believing he is female and he told everyone that he is a guy. For that reason EMW tried to label him as a scammer.

    Once again, for all I know ... is a scammer. I don’t know ... and I don’t know the details of all of this however my past experiences with EMW make me wonder just a little bit.

    The fact that EMW is unable or unwilling to provide proof that a scam did occur also raises questions. For me, his possible motivation to label an innocent person as a scammer is obvious. Again though, for all I know ... is guilty.

    When naming a scammer and not providing definitive proof, a person is relying solely on their own reputation and credibility with the community. With us, EMW’s credibility and reputation cause us to take what he says with a grain of salt.
     
  11. I would like to say that I have been hurt and confused by all this. We are a close soc and to think that someone within our family has been less than honest scares me.

    We have been shown no proof of a scam as yet, but have been shown evidence of dubious misuse of EF accounts :confused:

    ... left the Soc some time ago and ... has been removed, but I still see no proof of them being the same person or that ... is a irl bloke :(
     
  12. :confused: I thought this was locked !

    Hardwrath,

    I've never said anything like you claim i have..

    The person you are talking about, did infact tell me and others he was a female in real life.. and seems he used that to try and gain trust from EMW. So you saying it was just an assumption based on ava gender is wrong.

    Anyway, this has nothing to do with this thread.

    ...

    Rockchick,

    I can understand your shocked, since ... did a very good job of convincing many.

    I can answer any questions that you have, but everything in the OP is true.

    ... did scam EMW, this is a fact, of about 4kped. He agreed in PMs to meet and return, but would always log off.. this happend a few times, then never to be seen again.

    ... / ... EF accounts had same passwords, and same registerd Emails.

    I dont know what else i can say, but if you want to ask any questions you can via pm if you like.. (This is directed to Rockchick, NOT Hardwrath)
     
  13. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Trust scams are the very worst, exactly because of what you just described. You *think* you can trust someone, and seeing that trust betrayed can be quite a shock.

    It was. I ended up reopening it, after a few exchanges by PM. The general expectation and hope is that more information will come up.

    In your reply you say that EMW was most definitly scammed. Nobody is saying he was not scammed. However, to the best of my understanding, and this is after consulting other parties, no solid proof of scamming has been supplied either. One of my hopes in reopening the thread is that some solid proof might come into the open.
     
  14. It guess its upto EMW to reply to that.. But no screenshots were ever taken, the only proof you have and ever will have is EMWs word.. You can also speak with DrDoom, he tried to get the items back from ... , ... cooperated, only to disapear. Why anyone is questioning the fact a scam took place is beyond me.

    But there is obviously no screenshot proof, as EMW fully trusted ... as a friend.. not expecting to be scammed.
     
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  15. Lykke TheNun

    Lykke TheNun In Loot We Trust

    ALLLright ... seeing this didn't went as smoothly as hoped - this thread is closed!
     
  16. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Seeing there is no evidence that provides hands-on proof the avatar(s) in question actually did scam, we have removed the names from the thread.

    At EntropiaPlanets we think that proven scammers should be exposed, but if no proof other than word of mouth is presented, we will ask that the claims are withdrawn.

    We also want to stress that without proof, no names should be mentioned.
     
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