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You forgot to emphasize the most important part:

for the purposes of recruiting new members

which applies to the items in the bullet list following.

Did you happen to notice that none of those threads were edited or deleted?

Maybe if you or Lykke were unclear about my request, you might have replied back asking me for a more detailed clarification or explanation. Instead you created this highly controversial thread based on a misinterpretation, which drastically expanded the scope of my request to include any and all links to EP, for whatever reason, and portrayed me as an evil forum overlord in the process.

Thank you.

Rather, I was trying to make it clear to anyone reading the thread that the word filter is a standard feature of the forum software used by both of our sites, rather than some diabolical custom tool developed especially for EF, as Wizzszz so often likes to suggest (i.e. his imaginary image blocker).

I am glad to see that you have a sensible set of forum rules, and are making efforts to build a helpful and mature community.

Indeed you did interpret my PM wrongly, unfortunately.

I think if you reread my PM to Lykke closely, you will see that my request pertains only to links and content posted on EF whose intent is clearly one of recruitment.

 

Wizz I have no idea why you're just trolling this situation. There is a LOT of stuff you have wrong, and you aren't really helping this situation at all.

Let's start with the image issue. I'm guessing there's a glitch in the image you are trying to upload. It happens often when you "save image as" from a site and it gets made into a bmp w/ a jpg extension. To fix this, just open the image in an image editor, and "save as" {whatever}-2.jpg. I'm guessing that will work.


Now as for the PMs.

What 711 didn't mention about the PMs was that quite a few folks reported those PMs. Seems some folks felt they were in bad taste too.


As for EF vs. other EU forums.
For a thread I was doing (long before I became a mod) I asked 711 if he would mind if I linked to some threads on Entropia Pioneers. He told me he had no problem with linking to useful info on other sites. The only exception being the Reality forum, for obvious reasons.

Also, 711 really didn't react to most of this until us mods brought up the subject. It was after we asked where is the line drawn between linking to EP posts and recruitment that 711 sent that big PM to Lykke that started this big thread.

So it wasn't 711, it was us. Got it?

If you need it put simply, here it is.

If I make a post saying "There's a cool thread about an uber hof on EP. Here's the link." Fine. But if I say "Go sign up on EP, cause EF sucks" Well, safe to say that'll be removed.

However, it seems, Wiz, that you are looking for the exact line so you can advertise EP on EF without "technically" doing that. That won't help this situation at all.

Honestly, if it was just a few posts about the cool interviews they've done here, there would've been no problem at all.

 

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I forgot to add - we are not able to just remove members accounts either without everything being a mess. Obviously this was to be seen on ER at a point, where someone got her account deleted and that basicly f**ked up all the threads and posts, where she replied, got quoted etc. I'm not sure how to do that without this happening, but I'm still yet just a v/bulletin noob :)!


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711, welcome to EP - we appriciate you take your time here to solve some misunderstandings.

First I will say, that I never denied sending those pm's - not to you and not here. I have all the time taken the full responsibility of that action.

Second, when you say it's not long time ago - it is when you look at this forum's life time. We're only 2 months old. I'ts more than a month since I wrote the last pm's on EF.

Last time you pm'ed me I removed everything on my account on EF that had to do with EP - because even though you now say, that you didn't mean you could not have banners etc. - that is still something that would attract people, isn't it? I made banners about the major interviews we have here on EP - here's one:



- is this type of banners allowed?

We respect your forum, which is why we did not post any public obvious threads there about it when we made it. Nevertheless we have gotten more than 300 members in only 2 months - and no, not only the few from the beginning through my pm's (from statistic interests I have kept and eye on who I invited and who became/come a member) - so of course it is possible to drag attention without going to EF. But we all know EF is the place where the majority of the traffic is going on, and of course then it's natural this is where we wish to tell people about the awesome EU related things going on here on EntropiaPlanets.

Enough about me here, what I do not want is that people on EP would be punished for my actions on EF which is why we posted this thread to begin with - because a couple of our members has been posting about the interviews and I would hate to see them get a ban or infraction or whatever.

We are not - as stated before in this thread - interested in a forum war as we DO not believe in the competition. We are all interested in the same - to get the info about EU and all the important new features out to everyone interested! We do not see *THEM* and *US* but *US* as being one EU community.

We are however concerned about all the restrictions on EF going on atm - as we are happy if you can clear up the things we are allowed to and not to (not talking about the pm's last month, because that is clear) - to avoid any further misunderstandings.

Thanks

 

This may be where the problem lies. I for example made a thread on EF about a competition running here for PEDS. I thought it would be usefull for the EF community and especially new players who are always on the hunt for peds.

Now would you consider such a thread as recruitment? I saw the thread as mentioned above helping the community it would obviously also allow people to join the forum and so can be looked as recruitment.

So when is a thread about recruitment and when is it not? because any thread that links to here woul;d allow people to join here.


I also made another thread about an interview here i think....would that also be classed as recruitment?

 

I did - but after the last thread posted about an interview, and I got this from you:

I didn't find the need to ask you for further explanations, because when I read it it seemed clear, that nothing containing links to the site - wether it is in a thread about the interviews, linking to the actual interview - or a link in the banner - linking to the actual interview - is allowed.

So please, clarify this, if I misunderstood your intentions.

 

In fairness, 711 almost never responds to any accusations sent his way, and folks have gotten on his case about that.

So one of the rare times he speaks out about a situation, you can't really say it's a bad thing. That's just a "damned if you do..." argument.

However, at this point, the forum owners are talking so there's not much any of us can add to the discussion. I'll bow out and let the big boys talk.

 

Oh OK - bolded the extra important bit.

So, we are allowed to link to useful news and interviews and stuff on this forum in that forum.

Just not allowed to actively use EF for recruiting people to EP.

No problem then :)

We can all have a happy Friday now

 

I've written image compression algorithms in the past, i guess it is safe to assume i am able to not make such newb mistakes.

Don't get the "bad taste" - and i can hardly imagine that Lykke wrote something inapproriate - the PM i got (yes, i was one of them) was perfectly OK.

And there you are wrong already, links to other forums are prohibited on EF, too - iirc, i.e. the PEA forum.

Yes, i already noticed that Skam and you are more than willing to protect 711, even when you are not even properly informed what is allowed on EF and what is not. FWIW: I once thought higher of you...

And where exactly would you rank "Go sign up on EP", because, painting all black and white isn't helping either, ya know.
(Not that your ranking matters, as you'd have to follow 711s orders anyway....)

I haven't even mentioned EP over on EF, not with a single word.
All i did (after this thread popped up) was putting a small pic in my EF sig with a link and that's it - i never planned to do more than that. Funny tho that you try to make me now the EP ad executive or something...

But i find it laughable to ban everything that mentions EP, and i am not really happy about more censorship on EF - which is, i am sure, something that gets your approval.

As said, it is 711s opinion that counts, you follow orders with a bit of personal space where you can decide, but thats about it, so your statement about "problems" or "no problem at all" is worth... nothing.

And seriously, you and Skam appear like watchdogs trying to protect their master (and watchdogs never ask who started the fight...) - i am pretty sure 711 can handle things w/o your help.

 

And to all who think this is just about "blatant recruiting":

Please tell me what is so damn wrong about threads like that one:

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/events/170658-1200-ped-worth-total-prizes-competition.html

which was explicitely labelled as "blatant recruiting thread" in 711s opening post.



And take your time, you will need a good explanation - i will catch up with this later. Over&Out

 

We are not trying to hide any intentions - and I want everything 'on the table' - so here is the first PM send out:

This is the second PM send out:

 

Wizzszz,
You're really doing your best to make it seem like EP'ers are not trustable. Its rather sad, because I rather want to believe the opposite.

If Lykke/VF and 711 is having a proper discussion clearing the boundries, then thats good. Hopefully they can work on resolving this.

But then you go ahead hinting towards having "lots of friends, say 500..." when PM recruiting is already pretty clear that is not acceptable. Its just silly, why try bending the rules until they break? Amusement?

You're not helping the situation at all. It makes me wonder if you're the least bit interested in solving anything.

 

But EF is NOT banning everything that mentions EP.

 

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I would have prefered <BLEEP> <BLEEPDITIBLEEP> <BLOOOP> instead hehe

 

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Oh...

But EntropiaPlanets now get famous all around just - because 711 do not like us... WHAT A BLAST :p

 

Then why are you so worked up over this situation?

The rest I'll talk to you in PM. This is between 711 and VF/Lykke at this point. They'll figure the general agreements out themselves.

 

Its kinda hypocrytical of 711 actually. EP has a link to EF and certainly promote EF. Why is it so damn wrong the other way around? One game. One community. More forums mean more freedom and choices. Why restrict in a big-bro kinda way?

Welcome to EP Neomaven. Now that you have registered here 711, stick around, I hope you pop in more frequently. Anyway it is solelly the discretion of the individual to become a member on EP. Why be fumed about it? It doesnt matter if EP gets promoted wherever, peops will come eventually. Nothing wrong with spreading the word in-game now is it? At least Lykke had the decency to do so privatelly through PMs.

Seriuously 711, stick around, I am working on a official public appology without expectations. Quite happy here ty;) If you prefer a private PM discussion, let me know;) i prefer it too.

Live and let live guys pls. No new member in EP, deletes or stops his/hers EF account right? Well exept for the few EF banned exeptions. If this forum existed first, wouldnt you have liked to recruit peops from here? In that case you woulnt have heard a peep from Lykke or Peter. I know them well enough by now to know this for sure.
youre getting a +rep from me just for being here;)

 

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Ye LOL its obvious isnt it Tom:)

Neomaven hates my guts too Tom. The day he called me LAME in Public during a CL event in Control after trying to PM him, made that very clear to me.