Entropia Support News: Mission Rewards Rebalancing

EP-Newsbot · Apr 23, 2012

In order to provide a fair, exciting and challenging experience for all Entropia Universe participants, revised guidelines for proper balancing of mission rewards have been provided to the Planet Partners. There are two primary goals of the new ...

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narfi · Apr 23, 2012

Interesting......

RAZER · Apr 23, 2012

indeed, so will there be any reason for higher level players to do any of the missions if the reward is just some stupid newbie gun nobody actually wants??

GeorgeSkywalker · Apr 24, 2012

Copying remarks about this issue by MA staff.

Charlie|Calypso;2929198 said:

No, this is not necessarily a "nerf" to all missions.

In general there will be a heavier focus on skill rewards rather than attributes, or mission tokens.
All missions will have their Nova Fragment rewards replaced with skill rewards. Skill rewards will be calculated in a way that will take into account the actual difficulty of the creature rather than just its health.

In the end this means that some missions will have their rewards increased while others will get decreased.

Also, this is a MindArk decision that all planet partners has to follow, but I do believe that skill rewards is in most cases, at least to low/mid level players much more valuable than attributes or Mission tokens. Also I know many are hesitant to complete missions that reward attributes because they want to get their attributes high before earning any through missions. This can actually prevent new players from reaching higher attribute levels because they gained a lot of points from missions while their attributes where still easy to obtain through normal activity.
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Charlie|Calypso;2929267 said:

Just to be clear, I never said all attribute rewards will be removed, because they wont. They will however be harder or easier to obtain depending on the mob, it makes little sense to award 1 strength for 100 Merp and 1 Strength for 5000 Kreltin. Most people also seem to vastly overestimate the usefulness of attributes vs skills even for higher level players. But yes I know it's cool having 100+ agility.

Clearly MindArk needed to impose some sort of restrictive guidelines on attributes or a planet partner could create ten new Merp-level mobs, give them all missions that award 1 agility for every 50 kills and suddenly everyone has 500 agility, and those hard earned naturally skilled agility points are suddenly worthless.
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Charlie|Calypso;2929301 said:

Time can be valuable to.

I know a lot of people now see it as the ubers back in the days used to get 10 agility in a week just for free doing nothing, but that really isn't true. Yes it was easier back then, but they did work really hard for those points. Does it really matter? No not really, except for something to show of.

Well in this case the change will benefit the newer players since it will be easier to get skills instead of attributes that barely do anything. So it's the opposite of what you are saying.
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Charlie|Calypso;2929354 said:

Me as a planet partner am in charge of this re-balancing project but since I have seen a couple of people ask some stuff about MA (or me) that I though I may as well answer to some degree.

Yes, I played back in that time and I know people used to "fap fish" "fap flies" etc, back in the days only to skill agility (granted the cost doing this with a mod fap weren't that high but still it was a 100% loss to gain some agility and doing this for weeks did add up). I started playing PE in september 2003, and have played it since with a couple of breaks here and there. My avatar is 99% naturally skilled (chipped in 10ped FA back in 2004 to max the fap-50), I have played on a very low budget for all this time. Yes I have completed several Iron missions, pretty much all missions up to 1000 and 1 bronze mission.
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929382 said:

This announcement was made on the Entropia Universe website-

http://account.entropiauniverse.com/support-faq/pages/2012/04/23/2638/index.xml

and appears in the client loader for all planets, and thus was announced to all Entropia Universe players and planets simultaneously.

As you can see from this link, the announcement has also been picked up by other planets along with Calypso-

http://arkadiaforum.com/showthread.php?4103-Mission-Rewards-Rebalancing
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929392 said:

The progress players have made on missions already in progress will not be affected.

As an example-
Just before the August 21 VU, imagine you have completed 999 kills of a creature whose mission requires 1000 kills. You will have the ability to log in after the VU, kill one creature and receive the new reward.

We want our planet partners competing for your activity on the basis of quality content, excitement and fun factor offered to participants, not on the basis of easier missions, easier availability of more powerful items, or other balancing-related areas.

Over the past few months MindArk has been making a very detailed review at various balancing issues on the different planets, and we have revised or expanded our guidelines to planet partners to ensure balance and fairness in many areas such as creature loots, item balance, and mission rewards. This announcement regarding mission rewards is but one part of a much larger, ongoing effort to create a universe that is equally challenging, fun and rewarding for participants on all of Entropia Univere's planets.

We understand that the changes required may cause frustration or confusion for some participants, but we also realize how important this effort is for the future health and stability of Entropia Universe. We ask only that you have a bit of patience and understanding during this period, we are confident that the end result will be for the best for everyone involved- you the participants, MindArk, and the planet partners.

Under the new mission reward guidelines, planet partners will still have the ability to offer several different reward options for the completion of individual missions, such as skill-only, or skill+attribute, or even skill+attribute+tokens.

There will be no retroactive refunds or reimbursements for missions that have already been completed.
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929409 said:

In many cases, rewards for particular missions will improve considerably under the new guidelines, which can hardly be considered a nerf.

It seems those of you expressing anger or frustration about this announcement have overlooked or misunderstood the most important part of the announcement-

Many missions currently offer a reward that is much too small for the effort required. A few examples would be the 5K Atrox, Araneatrox, Feffoid and Warrior missions. Those missions will most certainly receive the opposite of a nerf.

As for the rebalancing efforts regarding creature loots, we have listened closely to the feedback received from players in this area over the years and have plans for a major overhaul of creature loots that will result in a system that is much more exciting and fair, and that will allows all participants the ability to loot useful items for their profession and skill levels, on a wide variety of different creatures.
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929412 said:

I addressed this issue a few posts above yours-
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929424 said:

The rebalancing of mining resources is already under way and was announced a few months ago in the State of the Universe Address 2012

To accomodate the increasing number of planets within Entropia Universe and to encourage the growth of local planetary economies, one area that will receive special attention in the coming months is space travel and interplanetary trade. Resources and materials will be rebalanced among the planets in order to enable each planet to develop a thriving and healthy local economy, while at the same time creating opportunities for participants to engage in commerce across multiple planets.
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Bjorn|MindArk;2929427 said:

Stamina gains will still exist under the new guidelines.

Those skills you talk about buying must come from somewhere, do they not? They do not just appear from thin air. Without a substantial amount of skill rewards from missions, the cost of buying such skills rather than earning them normally would be quite a bit higher.

Also as other have pointed out several times in this thread- for the vast majority of participants skill rewards are much more useful than a single point in an attribute, when measure in terms of contribution to profession level and overall efficiency. This is true even for avatars with fairly high skill levels.
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Charlie|Calypso;2929465 said:

The 4 month notice is for ALL missions not only Calypso. The reason the Catscapades mission didn't get any notice was because it awarded far to much skills compared to any other mission on any planet.

A before/after list of the missions or at least a couple of examples will probably be provided in the near future.
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Charlie|Calypso;2929479 said:

I believe most or all of these stamina points will stay, and it could possibly be a choice for each player to pick stamina + small amount of skill or a larger amount of skill and no stamina on some missions. However missions created from now on may be without attributes. Preferably I would want to keep as many of the current missions as close to what they are now as possible.

However theres also the possibility of new kinds of rewards that could be added to new missions.

I also wanted to clarify something that I read somewhere far back in this thread about changing the structure of the missions for them to work the same way as the Rextelum and Traeskeron mission, this will not be done. The old missions will keep their 1 point/kill, only the rewards for the different stages will change. New missions will however most likely use a point based structure.

Edit: Also you do realise its 4:30 in the morning and I'm still up reading and answering PM's and questions in this thread?
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Charlie|Calypso;2929490 said:

As I said earlier I will try to get such a list done as soon as possible, but the actual re-balancing will have to be done first, perhaps a couple of examples could be provided along the way though.

Anyway I have to sleep now so any further answers from me will have to wait until tomorrow.
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RAZER · Apr 24, 2012

OK that makes a bit more sense now.

Tass · Apr 24, 2012

Well...

Why not finish the rebalancing plan first and then announce it incl. a Before/After list? That way everyone would be able to decide whether it makes more sense to complete the mission before or after the rebalancing. And also a lot of people would play the game instead of playing forums...

Softhart · Apr 24, 2012

I kinda enjoy playing the forum, I get much more in return

GeorgeSkywalker · Apr 25, 2012

Tass said: ↑

Well...

Why not finish the rebalancing plan first and then announce it incl. a Before/After list? That way everyone would be able to decide whether it makes more sense to complete the mission before or after the rebalancing. And also a lot of people would play the game instead of playing forums...
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Not a good idea because that would eat up into the time we have to finish existing missions. If they waited to release full information a month or two could easily go by...

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