A Call to Arms!

Discussion in 'Entropia Community' started by Menace, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. Stop the forum persecution!
    I'm posting this on EP because IMO they are innocent, so I'm hoping they'll let this thread roll!

    Over on another forum many users have been banned for speaking out against un-called for forum moderation. Many threads have been closed or deleted completely because a mod either didn't agree with the OP or the threads spoke up against Nazi forum moderation.
    Because the forum won't allow the community to speak about the issues at hand, nor will the forum owner return emails about the issue..... I propose that anyone who has a problem with a forum removing our freedom of speech/expression simply name their team name in-game to "Stop Forum Persecution".
    Maybe spamming chat will bring the problems to light abd push the forum owner to run a fair and unbiased forum!

    'Stop Forum Persecution"!
    My name is Menace and I support this message!

    Menace
     
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  2. RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    I am not speaking for all the EP staff (although I think they agree with me) but I do agree with you on this one Menace. I have had messaged removed without a notice on PCF as well. That one did get returned though after a message to Kim, Jason and the moderators.

    I think forums should have free speech and should not be moderated to much, only when some kind of law is broken or stuff gets to personal and/or insulting.

    So, I don't see any issue with this tread on EP, criticism is OK, but I do wanna ask to try and keep it civilized with constructive criticism.
     
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  3. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Why not just move to other forums, Menace? If you don't enjoy it, simply stop going there.
     
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  4. Simply put, I was raised to stand up to bullies, not run away from them.

    Menace
     
  5. That prick 711 has a power trip, *edited* in is moms basement.
     
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  6. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space

    I did one better ... I requested to have my account deactivated at PCF yesterday - it's done, and I couldn't be happier. They keep harping on the rules, yet they are half-assed about performing their moderating fairly. The forum is filled more every day with an increase in negativity, but justifiably so, and I added to that level of negativity with good reason., They follow the rules in a way that suits them, and are never consistent.

    I'm done with that over-moderated and unfairly moderated site where moderators are shielded and supported in what they do no matter the injustice. There's no voice there, even when something is clearly wrong and against the rules. I don't back down from bullies either, but I've had enough of that shit pen they call a forum moderated by two of the people who have literally destroyed the experience of posting there.

    Threads and posts get deleted, and posts get edited but they still leave in personal insults against another member which is clearly in violation of the rules, yet try to justify their actions. After the database was sold, it has progressively gone downhill from there, and continues to get worse.

    The last straw came yesterday and I pulled out the scissors and cut it, and it felt good. I'm always constructive, but even that can get you in trouble these days, and I'm just over it.

    EDIT:

    Also requested that my account at Entropia Forum be deactivated as well. Let's see, who's next.

    Just as an FYI ... I won't ask here, :thumbup:
     
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  7. narfi

    narfi Lost

    Menace, I haven't had a lot of interaction with you, but when I have it has been good.
    I have a couple of thoughts on this issue,

    1. You basically begged to be banned from the game. MA obliged.
    2. You basically begged to have your threads locked and your account banned from PCF. The mods obliged.
    3. PCF has its rules, and part of being civilized is that we follow the rules of places we go to, and if we do not wish to follow those rules we are respectful enough not to go there.
    4. I live in a country where it is legal to carry guns, but you don't just walk into a school with them because that is against the rules. If we don't want to hang up our guns, then we are respectful enough not to go into establishments where they are not allowed. IMO we should treat free speech much the same way.
    5. We have offered our forum here as an open arena, but people still need to keep their posts civilized when voicing their thoughts, ideas, and concerns. (unfortunately threads like this will draw more emotion from people and I have already had to edit one post)

    There is definitely 'injustice' in the game for how exploiting, scamming, etc... is handled.
    But... I do think that MA is trying, and that when they are presented with overwhelming evidence from multiple sources on something they have explecity stated was not allowed they will take action.

    I do not agree with all of the rules on PCF.
    But... I do think it is our responsibility as civilized human beings to respect them by either obeying them while there, or choosing to post elsewhere.
    I have a lot of respect for both JC and Serica and they have a tough and thankless job of being volunteers who are forced to enforce rules that a lot of people do not agree with.

    TLDR: Don't ask people to ban you and they probably won't. Welcome to EP :)
     
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  8. Puck

    Puck Puck

    "Freedom of Speech" isn't an entitlement on a privately owned forum. If you don't agree with their rules, then leave with dignity (or expect to be expelled). If you STILL don't want to abide, then a solid session of kicking and screaming violently on the floor might help you relieve that self-induced narcissistic rage.
     
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  9. Tass

    Tass Administrator

    I tend to agree with almost everything said in this thread.

    A forum should not only permit but even encourage "free speech", which doesn't necessarily mean everything should be allowed. And one should speak up when encountering deficiencies - instead of walking away.

    On the other hand censorship and arbitrary moderation are not the worst deficiencies and meanwhile we have plenty of choices, every planet -except Calypso- has an official professionally managed forum, in addition there are 'universal' forums.

    By using a product you are also supporting it, the way it is produced and presented, the way it's commercially exploited, the character of its profiteers, the policies and attitude it represents.

    On EP you are invited to contribute to make it what you want it to be. I think supporting EP is a good choice.
     
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  10. Narfi I didn't beg to have my thread locked. As a mod yourself you know darn well I didn't break any forum rules and serica closed that thread Cuz she doesn't like trappers......
    And yes I knew I was gonna get banned.... For SPEAKING OUT. But hey.... I'm not sweating' it. What's angering is all the threads and bans since. Evidently there's a serious issue there and its not about to get dealt with anytime soon

    I'll be in game this afternoon teaming "Stop Forum Persecution!"

    Menace
     
  11. Freedom of speech isnt allowed because all must remain well in happy land. MA pays Neomaven to keep that forum clean on negativity. If you're OK with be that.... Well..... I guess there's gotta be a govt to lead the sheeple too.....

    Menace
     
  12. The way I see it.....

    A referee that calls too many penalties ruins a hockey game. A govt that passes too many trivial laws ruins a community. A spouse who nit picks all day long ruins a marriage. And pcf's mods are ruinining a forum as too much cfc's have ruined the ozone.
    Menace
     
  13. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    I highly doubt he gets paid to remove negativity. If he did, that forum wouldn't be in the state it is in.
     
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  14. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space

    I agree that rules should be followed, and even accept that certain cases may require a little flexibility, but I also agree that applying the rules as a moderator should be done fairly and consistently, and this is not the case whatsoever when residuals of an edited post by some leaves behind personal insults to another member, which clearly breaks one of the rules (as an example) - there was no need in this case whatsoever to employ any level of flexibility when the message was clear.

    Far too many threads and posts are being deleted and edited seemingly on a whim. If you're going to follow the rules, then let the rules apply to every member, not just who you choose in the moment that they should apply to, or because you have a personal issue with a member.
     
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  15. All I know is that I don't have any fear of over moderation here assuming of course I keep my language clean.

    Team "Stop Forum Persecution" killed a creature "Proteron Young" worth 233 ped!
    Rob Menace Klok is the first colonist to discover BanHammer 2000!
     
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  16. sissi

    sissi sissi

    Unfortunately you lost all credibility from my standpoint Menace, as you repeatedly exploited. Don't get me wrong I have been in several arguments with Serica regarding over-modding on PCF and have been "mildly" vocal about it, but in my view such a person as yourself can not be the flagbearer in this crusade.

    ps. this whole trapping business will make me leave my society as the newly elected leader was temp banned as well.
     
  17. Welcome to EP. Hope you stay. You are not alone...
    http://www.entropiaplanets.com/threads/fleeing-from-pcf.8316/

    Yes, PCF is heavily over-moderated, and always has been on many different levels. What do you expect when you know who is behind it all... http://www.entropiaplanets.com/wiki/Jason_Peterson

    Probably just a matter of time til Serica screws up like JC did and get a temp ban herself... Not sure it'd fix her attitude though.

    I actually take pride in knowing that I was temp banned from there at least once, and have had at least two of the urls to two of my blogs put on the naughty word list over there, joining the ranks of Entropia Reality, and who knows how many other sites that the forum nazis over there don't want seen by public eyes. (kinda surprised the tinyurls haven't been added to the block list yet - guess I shouldn't have mentioned that since now they'll probably read about it here and block those too until I just create a new blog and some other tiny url, etc.)... Try typing Entropiareality, Entropiatrash, or Entropiarelated on PCF and you'll see the bad word filter that come up that changes them all to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Same goes for some of the alternative names for Mr. Peterson's alt avatar who recently logged in long enough to sell a mall shop a few months ago even though many thought that avatar was banned for good in game... I thought about bypassing the filter by creating a bunch of blogs with words they can't possibly filter out or it'd kill their own forum's ability to communicate, really just a mater of downloading the blog's exported file, re-uploading it and blamo, done in about 5 minutes, but I probably won't go that far as long as they let the short urls stay...

    Honestly surprised EP hasn't been added to the list yet...

    Just the way things go.

    As far as the exploiting goes, Mindark doesn't actively fix bugs before they go live and even in many cases after they've been made aware of them. They REALLY need to change that. It's just bad level design and bad programming to allow trapping to continue. All the level designs in game should be created in ways that the poly's won't line up in ways that mobs get trapped, but Mindark is too darn lazy to actually take the time to create tools to test that all the levels are designed in exploit-free and bug-free ways so they just slap it all together and put it on the live servers and we end up with a huge mess that we see in game, exploits available and all. They really should have used the CLD sale income to hire a few pro programmers and testers but they didn't so things will carry on as they always have been...
     
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  18. I still think the problem isn't people, it's the lack of competition. Given monopoly power, most people will abuse it. I sincerely doubt I'd perform better than Serica - differently though.

    The status of PCF is weird. It takes a quite special mindset to use 'community' and 'official' in the same sentence and to think it makes sense.

    Well, from now on I will waste some of my time on fostering the competition. :)

    Hmm. I did the same back in August and was ignored. Perhaps I should try once again.
     
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  19. Well I have to say that the moderation level on PCF has gone beserk. The original post explain that meance had left obsidian has been reduced to 4 entries. I believe really that mederators have the right to close threads but not delete the content as long as it is not derogatory to other ppl or has an element of legality about it
     
  20. The band wagon has been slowly murmoring their disgust about PCF for years. Even when it was EF. It's not like a lot of people didn't give it their best to spew their disgust over Mindstar9 as a moderator over there.

    How ironic.

    EF was made to replace Entropia-Pioneer's forum. EF grew quickly and Entropia-Pioneer's lost popularity at an insane rate - because people felt the latter was over moderated.

    History speaks clearly. Every single popular forum has been accused of over moderation. How long until Entropia Planets is over moderated?
     
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