Since the first days as a newbie I learned of the trade terminal. For example I tt'ed a 1010bottles of sweat when they went 1.4pec a bottle. While that was a stupid thing to do I nevertheless felt comforted. Anything we looted had atleast a trade terminal value. It was the cornerstone of what made Project Entropia. The trade terminal takes all, no questions asked. But since the update today they released an item that is not only purchable through the trade terminal; but is not even sell-able to the same terminal again. When someone bought 300ped and couldn't resell it, he contacted support and the answer was that this was an INTENDED feature This invokes fear in me. Great fear. This to me is a great paradigma shift in Entropia. How long before we loot things that cannot be sold, but must be consumed? Who can tell me right on the spot that they won't misclick and end up with an item they don't want and can't sell back again? In this; MA has lost my trust. And the more I try to relax and think about it; the more anxious I get. If this is the way entropia is going; away from a pure RCE; more in the way of that failing "other wannabee russian rce"; it lays great fear on me. I like ppl to take a minute and think about the step MA/FCP are taking here. We are not speaking of an annoying bug, or an annoying feature or even a nerf. What we are speaking about is a change in the core dynamics of the game. Just think you get a global, and you loot a crappy gun, a low end fap, armor; and that item would not be tt'able. Everyone looted these, so you aint going to sell it on auction, not even below tt value. This is the situation we might be going to. It starts with one item not being able to be sold back to the TT, but this lays the ground for the future. If entropia can get away with this, what will follow? I personally think that is a bridge to far. It changes the whole game concept. To me a TT should take all. If it doesn't, what is still certain? with grave concern, Deity Acronoid
Yep something I addressed in the VU post. I think MA could at least set the default amount to 1 instead of 100 so if you miss click you just spend 0.50 PED instead of 50 PED. And although I do not mind the none salable stuff, if it is something special like prizes you won with an event as it is a way to show that YOU achieved something instead of just buying the prize, making the loot pill that way is weird. And I do understand your concern and I hope that 'normal' stuff will not end up none tradable.
I read your post at PCF about this Acro, and was hoping that you would start a thread here for discussion, and you did, so thanks. I'll do another post later, but pretty much agree with what you said. There should not be a "hidden catch" ... especially if there's no warning about it upfront ... that to me is just wrong.
Looted (not purchased) 1245Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1246Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1247Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1248Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1249Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1250Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1251Medkit (L)10.38 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1252Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1253Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1254Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1255Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1256Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1257Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1258Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1259Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1260Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1261Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1262Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1263Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1264Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1265Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1266Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1267Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1268Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1269Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1270Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1271Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1272Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1273Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1274Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1275Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1276Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1277Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1278Medkit (L)10.12 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1279Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1280Medkit (L)10.36 PEDSTORAGE (Rocktropia) 1281Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1282Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1283Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1284Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1285Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1286Medkit (L)10.50 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) Purchased (knowing I could not TT) 2050Viceroy Arm Guards â Skullcandy Edition (M)160.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2051Viceroy Foot Guards â Skullcandy Edition (M)144.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2052Viceroy Gloves â Skullcandy Edition (M)136.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2053Viceroy Harness â Skullcandy Edition (M)196.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2054Viceroy Helmet â Skullcandy Edition (M)152.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2055Viceroy Shin Guards â Skullcandy Edition (M)156.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) 2056Viceroy Thigh Guards â Skullcandy Edition (M)156.00 PEDKulokhar Tall Urn (1067) Did the mission knowing They could not be traded or sold, 60Arctic Boots (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 62Arctic Combat Parka (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 63Arctic Snow Pants (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) Not sure if these can be TTed now or not, 622Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 623Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 624Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 625Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 626Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 627Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 628Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 629Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 630Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 631Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 632Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 633Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 634Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 635Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) 636Event Ticket11.00 PEDNicole Ladies Handbag (C) (1377) 637Event Ticket11.00 PEDSmall Storage Box (C) (1804) What about these guys? 1450Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1451Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1452Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1453Pet Deed11.39 PEDSTORAGE (Rocktropia) 1454Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1455Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1456Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 1457Pet Deed10.00 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) Not really disagreeing with you, just pointing out that this isn't new even in Entropia.
SEE ... that's why I'm glad that people like Narfi who is perhaps more pro EU (I think) than some of us, can bring more value to these types of discussions with substance that supports experience, like Acro shared. There's something to be said for hardcore knowledge, and personal experience. *did an edit because my words didn't express exactly what I wanted to say*
I wonder if Mindark will pay back tt value of stuff that has can't be TTed if it's in inventory and your avatar 'dies' due to not logging in for x days in a row? It's technically got a ped value, just can't be TTed? I don't want to loose my account so can't test it, but maybe someone who's really ready to quit for good can test it and find out? Arctic guns are like this too even though you can still TT the ammo for those guns. The ngl grenade launcher was like this until the latest vu too. Eco on that thing is miserable, but I bought one anyways since I hate looting explosives and not being able to use them when I loot them. It seems to be the only Unlimited gun that uses explosives anywhere that's not going to cost you a ton? Same reason I carry around Ark TT guns for looted blp ammo.
Narfi, Can those medkits be traded? And are they usable outside RT? Reason to ask is, I might help you out with a couple if you want to get rid of them. Can't seem to find eco on them on entropedia, but I might give you some MU, depending eco. I do however reside on calypso, and I'm allergic to rocktropia though.
They can not be TTed or traded, and they are super eco (like the noobs version of mod fap, unfortunately my hunting style doesn't allow for personally using such small heals)
Mine does, that was why I was asking. I'm trying to be both eco, hunt ambu and skill paramedic. But I find it so sad that they are not tradeable. I think everything that isn't a token should be tradeable. For else this game does simulate a capitalistic economy anymore. I even think CDF guns and such should be tradeable (those bought with daily tokens). Else, MA fails to stand by it's word that they represent an economic simulator in my opinion. Because a free market is the basis for each good economy. Okay, IRL capitalism has some mayor drawbacks, I'm not going into discussion about that. But in a virtual world we don't have to face those ethical questions, so let us be capitalistic entrepreneurs and have fun in our virtual world.
FYI the viceroy armor set can now be traded for a TT-able token. Most of the stuff that's not TT-able is either given away free or unbalanced in some way, so should not be tradeable. I should also point out that MA has said the pill will be made TT-able and tradeable in a future patch.
Untradable items are just a symptom, not the disease itself. Combat tokens are tradable, yet combat token trader does quite a good job at simulating shop shelves of Soviet era: The underlying problems is also the same as with Soviet economy: either too much 'currency' in circulation (i.e. too many combat tokens dropping from maffoid bosses, bonus missions giving 20x more daily tokens), or regulated 'prices' set too low (easy mission rewards, e.g., obtaining a Valkyrie requires one to walk 20 m or so). Untradable items just happen when they try to mitigate the effects of their own decisions.
hmm I remember some stuff like this that couldn't be dropped or TT'd t'was annoying but was fixed... hoping this issue you talk of is just a (nother) bug/oversite that will be fixed soon. If nothing else MA need to make it so we can easily SEE the differences between things that can and cannot be TT'd. I have a question though... Did the mission knowing They could not be traded or sold, 60Arctic Boots (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 62Arctic Combat Parka (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) 63Arctic Snow Pants (M,L)10.08 PEDSTORAGE (Hell) Can I get 10.08ped snow pants now???? If so I'm off to RT again!
