Below a PCF thread that really shocked me. Maybe it was the action of one person only, without the aprove of arkadia/MA. What do you think about this? Edit; I've updates the thread with the Transcript of PM between Ace and Mindark offical Lich
The only thing I can see that could have caused the official to show is this: For some reason George seems to have a beef with Arkadia, and the Arkadia team is aware of this. Making a comment like above, combined with the history between the two parties might have triggered them to take action.
Yes, that is the only somewhat offensive line; and to be honest it was not very offensive at all compared to some things I've heard over the years. Also note that this was all said in trade chat and the motivation here was to take a full ship back to calypso; more than actually bashing the event. For all we know he might actually used the opposite to get customers to go to Arkadia in the first place. Also, if that was the reason, why wait 20 minutes (at least) after the phrase has been uttered? As I see it, someone has crossed the line. EU is not PCF...
I wouldn't worry about it Acronoid. George is known to have a huge beef with Arkadia for a number of reasons. Some I know about directly, others I only know of secondhand after some investigating. On the whole, with situations like this, its best to take anything said by anyone on the forums with a very big pinch of salt. People will post anything to support their side of the story but truth is ONLY the involved parties will ever know for sure what really happened and what was really said etc etc. I have my own opinion on what I know and what I have learned, but that is for me to keep to myself and not cloud others opinions or influence another's point of view. My advice, take no notice and just enjoy your own game
TBH having read most of the chat history (not all, I will need to consider I will die one day ;) ) I'm on the side of the Arcadia Official. To me it seems deliberately disruptive to gate crash an organised event, which you are not even taking part in, and try to encourage people to leave a planet instead of participating. Actually I think if it were me who had put effort into something like that (and the official avatar is almost certainly someone who did some of the work behind Arcadia) I'd probably be fairly pissed off with Skywalker for doing so. I'd actually say they were fairly lenient in how they dealt with the case. Wistrel PS I appreciate this post probably won't make me any friends but you know me. I tend to say what I feel.
Incidentally, would it be possible for someone in the know to briefly summarise what it is that Skywalker has against Arcadia? Or what events brought about such feelings?
the official was very polite and correct at first, just telling him not to disrupt the event, but he insisted to complain and talked about revenge, I wonder that the offical kept so calm and still asked him in the end what he wants offering different options a) get locked b) get moved to caly c) fly himself away from ark for those who wonder about the 20 minute time frame - the offcial said that a few ppl have filed support cases but of course if anyone who had no trouble with the ark team at all would post the same I guess there would be no chat with an official at all.
The 20 minute thing. Whoever it was was probably discussing appropriate actions with co workers before making a move
IIRC, Arkadia had an event going at some point where users could "vote" or otherwise influence the outcome. George argued this would allow for people to effectively just lobby their friends, or create sock-puppet accounts to gain more votes. It pretty much ended up in him getting banned on ArkadiaForum. Feel free to correct any gaps or wrong facts in my memory.
Heck! is that all? I've seen some fairly vicious comments about Arkadia... Can't believe it was simply an opinion being disregarded. Ah well, takes all sorts
Probably @GeorgeSkywalker reads this thread - say hello ;) Whatever reasons triggered this behaviour and no matter how 'accidential' it might have been, it is for sure quite provocative to go to an official event of someone, calling it crap and try to motivate people to go somewhere else. Whether this justifies a temp ban or being moved from the planet is another question. I tend to think there could be issues and incidents much worse than a player spamming "negativity" in trade chat for some time that would for justify swift and decisive action. So this could indeed have been an application of special treatment considering the individual involved and past incidents... But I agree that MindArk Official Assistent Lich has shown a level of professionalism that is rarely observed in the realm on MindArk - credit where credit is due.
I can confirm that this is PART of it. I was directly involved in this and whilst I completely understood where George was coming from (and still do), the way things progressed meant that he had to be disqualified from the competition. It was after that that other things happened which resulted in him being permanently banned. It wasn't. Whilst I do know a large amount of the story directly, there are others parts that I've had relayed to me secondhand. As such, I cannot and will not comment further on information that I cannot personally confirm or refute. Sufficed to say, that there are 2 sides to every story. And, for the most part, I have tried my best to remain above it all and as neutral as possible.
As far as I know, he started to offer people money for their votes after his 'idea to do it differently' got neglected, which got him banned. His idea for different competition voting was however a good one.
Hi, what a stupid behavoir ... Let's read it again in compressed form: [I'll omit most of the convo, only leaving the lines of importance:] 14:07:00 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] offering warp flight to Calypso [spammed over and over for the next time] 14:28:31 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] Leave this rubbish event save yourselves 14:28:40 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] warp to Calypso 14:31:31 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] i heard loot is better on Calypso 14:31:40 [Local] [Helena] loot is shit everywhere 14:31:58 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] even worse on Ark 14:32:23 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] offering warp flight to Calypso 14:34:20 [Trade] [George Ace Skywalker] Easy way to save yourselves [spammed over and over for the next time] [now the official comes by, and it's a chat (Names changed to reflect the speakers):] 15:01:08 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] Please refrain from telling people to leave Arkadia for other planets, and that "This event is crap" 15:01:51 [George Ace Skywalker] I find that a strange request 15:02:01 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] how so? 15:02:28 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] you are intentionally badmouthing the event, and encouraging other users to leave for other planets. [And know we're learning about the reasons:] 15:10:03 [George Ace Skywalker] i believe i have been wrongly treated by planet arkadia 15:10:12 [George Ace Skywalker] as such i have a right to exact revenge 15:10:29 [George Ace Skywalker] so they are free to abuse [Finally:] 15:13:56 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] Several participants submitted support cases about your behavior, so I came to investigate. 15:14:13 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] and saw your public chat messages myself. 15:14:50 [MindArk Official Assistant Lich] and you have admitted here in this chat that you are trying to "excat revenge"; on Arkadia for some perceived grievance. I don't see any problems with this. Ace has a personal crusade with Arkadia (an example), and behaved like a spoiled brat here, to take revenge on his 'enemies'. The Official did, in my opinion, a very good job, and solved the situation in a quite civilized manner. I have seen GM's, in other games, that would have muted him first, and temp-banned (at least) after this chat and his open confession of acting in malicious spirit ... Just my 2 PEDs. Forgive me if I made mistakes in compressing the chat for easier readability, tell me & I'll correct it. Have fun!
Hi, for those not reading PCF, JohnCapital (Mod) has responded in the thread on PCF, and I think his post is worth quoting: Hats off! Not all hope is lost! Have fun!