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Collaboration idea for various trackers

Discussion in 'About EntropiaPlanets' started by starfinder, Mar 25, 2010.

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  1. Mar 25, 2010 #1
    starfinder

    starfinder

    As im sure you know a lot of people see the publishing of "their globals" as a breach of their personal data...

    This is not a discussion on if it is personal data or not.
    But if the users would like this feature, why not make it as easy for them as possible.

    I suggest we start a "Tracker Collaboration Community" - TCC.
    (Make a logo and all.. put it on the site "We are a part of TCC" thing..


    As a member of TCC your tracker should be able to provide data on which avatar names are hidden on your site, as well as receive data from other TCC members on which avatar names are hidden on their sites.
    That way any "unhappy" users simply have to hide their avatar name on one service, in order for them to be hidden on all TCC sites.

    You could also write "Run our tracker client, we support TCC" .. Then sites who dosent support TCC would - hopefully get fewer people to run their clients, until they joined TCC.

    Obviously TCC could be expanded to allow for inter-site data exchange of globals to ensure all TCC sites have 100% accuracy on the global data.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Mar 25, 2010 #2
    RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    So far I know of just 2 trackers, so I really don't see the need to a community between those 2. Just get on Skype (as you have done before) and make some good deal on how to run both of your sites and how to share data.
     
  3. Mar 25, 2010 #3
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    The third tracker out there will still continue tracking everything without a means for people to cop out, and seeing it does not rely on clients, a tracker union like the one suggested here is not going to change much.

    Other than that, I think signing up and setting a flag to private is not the end of the world, nor asking a user to jump through hoops to anonimize their data. If people really are so worried about their global data being tracked, registering at one or two sites hardly seems like too much to ask.

    In the long run, they will still have to go to MindArk to get their data to stop being tracked, as as soon as another tracker is started, they have to start all over again.
     
  4. Mar 25, 2010 #4
    AlphaGeek

    AlphaGeek

    There's gonna be a standardized csv or sql format coming out of this thread, I suspect. That's cool. :)
     
  5. Mar 25, 2010 #5
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Entropia Tracker, EntropiaPlanets Tracker, ESG, "That hunting tool" - cant remember the name, Gabzors..... More than two.. and I suspect more will come....

    Instead of making something in a hurry when there is a possible need for it, why not anticipate the need/possibility .. and start working on something now?


    You mean that because he runs a "permanent client"him self, he has no desire to help the community?


    Senario: There is 10 tracker sites... A person would like to be hidden.
    Going through 10 sites (knowing they exist), signing up, setting avatar to hidden.. is not much of a problem?
    I would suspect that making such changes to the database structure of your tracker would be best done "in the beginning"... ? So why not make those changes /updates / add-ons now.. and make the user base happy?
     
  6. Mar 25, 2010 #6
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    That's what I suspect. The tracker is open to a select few people, who choose his tracker because it claims to be more reliable than other trackers, and because it does not offer anonimization.

    Our tracker already has a solution to make that person happy. Heck, that was one of the first things built after the release. And what tells you the other upcoming trackers wish to join the initiative? As long as not all do, having a union as suggested is pretty redundant.

    Again, if they feel their privacy is being invaded, they ought to talk to MindArk who broadcasts their data into places where other parties can pick it up.
     
  7. Mar 25, 2010 #7
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Thats why you "advertise" on your site that you are "in the community" in the hopes that people will be more likely to run your client than if you were not in the community. :)

    I respect yoiur choice, the door is always open. I will start making the documentation on the various XML feeds to ensure cross-site exchange of data and cross-site annonymize of "avatar data" (lets call it that.. lol)...

    :)
     
  8. Mar 25, 2010 #8
    RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    Yes it is.

    And did you guys have ANY contact with the other trackers out there?

    I didn't know they existed, but now that I do it would be nice to have all the trackers add their data to one big database so that we get as close to an 100% coverage of the globals as we can.

    And about the anonymous globals, I personaly think that all data in the chat window is public, period. And if one tracker offers to leave out someone that is a nice gesture but it also corrupts the data you get, so I don't think you should.
     
  9. Mar 25, 2010 #9
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Search through Entropia Forum - Akoz makes the ESG thingy.. Sledge makes the "hunting tool" program (which afaik also collects the globals).

    Yes, thats part of my suggestion with the "TCC". Share what info would be worth sharing.
    Globals to help "TCC" sites in data coverage.. "hidden avatars" to make the users happy.

    Define corrupts the data...

    Your charts should not relay on an actual avatar name. You can still show there has been X globals on Atrox today, you dont need to know who got them to do that.
    Besides, you can just replace the avatar name with "hidden user" as i suspect EntropiaPlanets Tracker has done...
     
  10. Mar 25, 2010 #10
    RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    Didn't think of that, good idea !
     
  11. Mar 25, 2010 #11
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Yup. In the database, the actual username is there. However, whenever data is retrieved to be presented, those users that choose to be anonymous will have their Avatarname replaced.
     
  12. Mar 25, 2010 #12
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Exactly the same as Entropia Tracker... So, why not make it easy for people who whishes to be hidden, to actually be hidden on "all sites under TCC" in "one click" ?... .. its a selling point :D
     
  13. Mar 25, 2010 #13
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    The selling point for our tracker will be all the functionality we are cramming into it. People will want to use our client because it will be useful and value adding to them in many ways.
     
  14. Mar 25, 2010 #14
    starfinder

    starfinder


    Not talking about the client.. im sure your client will be one of the best 3rd party programs for EU on the market.

    Im just saying "we might as well help each other where we can, in order to make the experience with tracker sites as pleasent for the user as possible" :)
     
  15. Mar 25, 2010 #15
    aridash

    aridash large throbbing member

    considering this point, why not make the name on trackers opt in?
     
  16. Mar 25, 2010 #16
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Because the vast majority of the userbase would not want that.
    If 80% were hiding their avatars, then I would prolly do that. But seeing as "hide your avatar" is something that affects very few - users vs hidden users - people. I think its the best solution to keep it as it is. :)
     
  17. Mar 25, 2010 #17
    AlphaGeek

    AlphaGeek

    So would the common data set record look like:

    avatar/team,utc,mob,ped,site


    OK, field order is no biggie, but that's pretty much what we see when a global fires.


    Yeah, I know, I don't have a dog in this fight. I just find the subject interesting.

    AG
     
  18. Mar 25, 2010 #18
    starfinder

    starfinder

    Site isent needed.. Prehaps "location name" instead.. :) But other than that, yes...
     
  19. Mar 25, 2010 #19
    TheMZ

    TheMZ

    Ahh, the competition. If you can't beat them, join them, eh? :wink:

    Well, here's a better scenario: there are 10,016 tracker sites. I will be using a single one :rofl:. Now let's get down to earth, there won't be ten trackers, and even if there will be, people will only be using what fits their needs. It all comes down to what needs can your tracker meet, and by the look of it, EPTracker is on a good road :vampire:.
     
  20. Mar 25, 2010 #20
    starfinder

    starfinder

    So if you want to be hidden, you only want to be hidden on one site?
     
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