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New MindArk Official Community Liason

Discussion in 'Entropia Community' started by Steve Saber, Jun 15, 2016.

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  1. Jun 15, 2016 #1
    Steve Saber

    Steve Saber

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  2. Jun 16, 2016 #2
    Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    To late ...
    There was Skam already in the past ...
    Poor Nighthawk will end like Skam ...
     
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  3. Jun 16, 2016 #3
    Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

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  4. Jun 16, 2016 #4
    mastermesh

    mastermesh

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    Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

  6. Jun 16, 2016 #6
    Pirx Danford

    Pirx Danford

    Well the way I remembered it was: Skam was hired, communication improved with MA. With that it seemed that they were listening more and that stuff was happening a bit faster that they received and understood.
    But then came SEE and sweet talked MA over to hand over the end customer business to them together with all employees and assets.
    I don't know why a company like MA that does know how far people on the internet will go to earn a crooked pec does trust other companies so easily... its highly unlogical, but probably the explanation is as always the simple formula "greed makes stupid".
    Anyhow among the staff and everything else transferred was Skam.
    MA being scammed by SEE was bad for everyone and I very much hope they learned from this... yeah I know.
    I have no details about what it meant for Skam, but if the employee protection laws are as good as in Germany she probably got her full salary until the end of the contract and as far as I know she had no trouble finding other professional work, so for her it probably was not going too bad. Also I am sure she would rather have liked to keep the job and would have loved to see her work bearing even more fruits, it could have been cool.
    As it is we must be glad that MA survived the SEE incident, sure a bit gloating is understandable, but in the end it was also bad for us players. They still have not recovered from back then... if things have not improved when I finally managed to sell off my stuff I will probably leave the game for good. I am selling so slowly that this might even take more than ten years though.

    Ludvig gives me a bit of hope things might turn around again.
    Best of luck to you Ludvig and stay strong!
     
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  7. Jun 16, 2016 #7
    Sionkiewicz

    Sionkiewicz One of those Americans

    She escaped..
     
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  8. Jun 16, 2016 #8
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    What do you base this claim on, eaxctly?


    On-topic, I find the last part of 7/11s message more worthy of discussion. Calypso is officially part of MA again. Not that anyone ever doubted, but I bet the PPs will be thrilled to hear that they are officially competing with the planet owned by their "partner".
    The same partner that pretty much scaled down development on EU in order to pump out their Failpet game. FUMA.
     
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  9. Jun 16, 2016 #9
    Pirx Danford

    Pirx Danford

    Uh...
    1) SEE officially buys Calypso
    2) SEE fails to make the agreed payments
    3) Some legal jumbomumbo goes on everyone is hushhush, but obviously MA reclaims Calypso
    Best partnership ever ... not ;-)

    And its pretty obvious that, when such a huge deal fails, quite a lot of money is getting burned without fulfilling any usefull purpose.
    If you look at the way development crawles ahead I would say there were quite some cutbacks, so yeah I am pretty sure it wasn't good for the players.
    I dislike that in the end there is no entropia I like to play, but I have the utmost respect for MA for being able to survive through this.
     
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  10. Jun 16, 2016 #10
    NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    Oh, if all you go by is that, then I see why you might be inclined to think so. However, you forgot one important step.

    4) MindArk pays SEE more than SEE paid MA, which, according to MAs own financial report in which this was made known, was to both party's satisfaction.

    That sound like SEE scammed MA to you?

    And I'm equally surprised how MA manages to stay around, despite al their terrible business practises. Respect is one thing they do not deserve.
     
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  11. Jun 16, 2016 #11
    Steve Saber

    Steve Saber

    Pirx, with all due respect it seems to me like you're SEEing the part you want to SEE.
    Ask your self why would SEE decide after signing a contract to stop payment and default on their end of the contract?
    If MA did everything they were supposed to in the contract, why did they wind up making a payout to SEE?

    In my experience, the wronged party under the contract usually is the one that get the payout.

    Just sayin....
     
  12. Jun 16, 2016 #12
    Pirx Danford

    Pirx Danford

    Well I am not a seeker for truth and I wouldn't be surprised at all if its SEE that was wronged. All I really know is that the game lost its appeal to me since the CryEngine update and that I very much would like to like playing it as much as I did. And the gaming market for a company is as brutal as a market can get, so yes I do respect MA for keeping the game running for all that time. Now if there would be a game I would like to play they even could earn money from me, this way they only get respect and that is not worth too much really.

    On topic: Having a communication channel is a step in the right direction.
    If it changes things or not remains to be seen. I have my fingers crossed! :-)
     
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  13. Jun 16, 2016 #13
    Steve Saber

    Steve Saber

    In theory it sound like a good plan.
    I believe that between the community, and MA, Nighthawk will get chewed up and spit out.
    That job will require a very thick skin, I know from personal experience, that is something Nighthawk does not have.

    I wish him well... I don't hold out much hope though.
     
  14. Jun 16, 2016 #14
    Tass

    Tass Administrator

    Well, MindArk is doing community wrong notoriously, it's like that ever since and I fear it will never change. An official community liaison employed by MindArk seems like a step in the right direction, by definition the person should be responsible for ALL things community, limit community affairs to company-owned assets would be a total fail once more.

    Hiring someone from the community is extremely unfortunate again, external expertise with a lot of experience in the area would have helped a lot. That said, Nighthawk is a good guy with sometimes just a little bit too much appreciation for MindArk ;) All of MindArk's wrongdoing of the past decade and ongoing will be a huge burden for him, a hard act to follow facing this special community. So let's give him our support, welcome community liaison @Nighthawk .

    Regarding the past, I said it many times already, Skam/Hanne along with a couple of other people for me forms the "golden team" of Calypso development, lemme blatantly qoute myself:
    Regarding MindArk owning Planet Calypso directly and thus competing with their own planet partners... regarding MA insisting to be served by a porn peddler and high profile cybersquatter found guilty in many cases which of course are only the tip of the iceberg, also in breach with the EU EULA, also in breach with wikipedia guidelines, also in breach with dmoz rules, etc etc etc... and MA buying PCF (and only the data) totally overpriced from the same person, buying with money deposited by the community for content created by very same community... well, what could you say about these incident? It's beyond of what words could express.
     
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  15. Jun 16, 2016 #15
    Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

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  16. Jun 16, 2016 #16
    McCormick

    McCormick

    1. It is spelled "liaison" not "liason"

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/liaison#English

    At least he spelled it correctly in his "about" section on the other forum.

    Nighthawk...ah well, who cares who it will be. He will end up on my blog asap.

    keeping the community informed and generally acting as a channel of communication.

    rofl...about what ? Silence ?
     
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  17. Jun 16, 2016 #17
    theProphet

    theProphet

    i thought silence is mr. president's business?
     
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  18. Jun 16, 2016 #18
    Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    No, she was fired as the whole team. And yes, she made her way apart from MA.
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    It was still a big loss for the community and a big mistake by MA.
    Old Nighthawk - we both had some struggle during the past - won't get more rights or abilities than Skam/Hanne got. It's still better than nothing for the community. I wish him luck!

    At the other hand I think Tass is right: MA will never learn. Nighthawks profession is a PR act only - like this Virtual President bullshit. No serious effects. I pray to LOOTIUS to prove that black is white. But I doubt it.
     
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  19. Jun 17, 2016 #19
    Tass

    Tass Administrator

    Another quirk: if MA were smart they wouldn't have recruited Nighthawk, he did the job of defending MA against the community voluntarily for ~10 years already anyway, now they got to pay him for doing it. :P They better would have recruited someone like... like me! That would mean one nagger less and one community liaison more, and Nighthawk would still be doing the job. (can we have that devilish smiley back?)
     
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  20. Jun 17, 2016 #20
    Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    LOL! That's exactly the point my dear. MA would never ever hire folks like you and me or even McCormick or Mastermesh because we always put our fingers to the open wounds.
     
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