Ohhh man! I am so happy to live in Europe and not in USA!

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  1. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Well, I see your point. I share some of your thoughts, especially when it comes to politicans and political and social systems - national or european. But even if it is worst I wouldn't change it to a life in USA. What I meant was the fact that a company deleted a photo of it's own original content on it's own forum regarding exactly this theme because of nudity. This is a cultural issue, not a political. For me such things are at the same level like directing women to wear Burkas and forbid them to drive cars or still use death penalty. This is cultural completely different to us. I wouldn't like to live in a country where women are discriminated or someone can be punished by death. That's all middle age for us here in Europe. We - especially Germany - had very very bad times and unbelievable terror was spread all over the world by the damn Nazi regime and the murder regime of Josef Stalin. But I was born after all that. I couldn't interview my father who was officer of the german Wehrmacht because unfortunately he died when I was 11 years old only. But even as a small boy I got some education from my father (a priest btw). He and my mom of course gave me the ability to think and feel a bit larger than the daily experiance and the school would have done. The hundreds of books in the library of my parents and all the games we played and conversations we had lead me to another way than the political leaders - the Politbüro of the former German Democratic Republic - liked to lead me to. I lived 35 years under a dictatorship of a so called socialist party. I won't call this time as lost time. But it could have been way better. I know this today. Way back in the past I couldn't know this because we were caged in our small country, unable to leave it. (Side note: even in the GDR we had no death penalty.) It is not a task of single men. I am sure I would find hundreds or thousands of US folks I could agree with. And vice versa I know some folks here in Germany which I don't like. It is a task of cultural superstructure. I am not happy with many things here in Germany or in Europe. But for no price I would change it to a life in USA. This culture is too strange to me. My fault probably. But yes, I am happy to live here in "Old Europe"!
  2. NotAdmin

    NotAdmin Administrator

    You're making it sound as if the US is a country full of prudes. I can assure you that is not the case. We have people in Europe complaining about ads with scantily clad women, too. It all depends on where you happen to be looking.

    You and I are on the same page with most of it, though I do not necessarily consider a death penalty to be off-limits, for the most extreme of crimes. Take for instance the people in IS brutally murdering people in the worst possible ways. I would have no issue whatsoever if they'd be sentenced to death by a tribunal, and simply removed from this planet.

    And who in the US is discriminating women, exactly? Heck, I have yet to see the first black prime minister in Germany. Granted, you have them beat when it comes to a female PM, but there's a chance Hillary Clinton ends up in the White House (again).

    There's extremes in every country, and in Europe we simply tend to get shown most of the extremes. In all the times I've been in the US, I got to know most Americans as warm, friendly people, always willing to help out when they learn I'm European. Last time in Florida, a random guy in a bookstore overheard me and my colleague, and upon learning we were from Denmark, it ended up with us chatting for half an hour, and him pointing us to a great brewery and restaurant. I never experienced that in Denmark or any other European country so far, and I visited most of them.

    Does that mean I'd not find anything to bitch about i the US? Far from. I do believe there ought to be some sort of social security net for people who end up in bad situations through no fault of their own. However, that has been taken to the other extreme here in Europe, and it's bat-shit insane. Most of Europe slowly is turning into a rubber-tile society where your own government doesn't trust you to be capable of handling yourself, and thus gets into your private life more and more. Their fixation with sports is also something I could do without, but hey, can't have it all.

    I'm sure there's pros and cons for both sides, but personally, I'd prefer living in a country where I get to be treated like an adult.
  3. Sionkiewicz

    Sionkiewicz One of those Americans

    I congratulate you in recognizing a National Pride and a wish to live in the country you love. I too feel the same and have no wish to live in any other country other than the United States. I'm proud of my country and all of it accomplishments including it's role in the rebuilding of Germany and Japan after World War II.

    But, please do not shape your opinion of our country based on one post on a Company's Software Forum website because you feel it's stupid. The company owns the site and makes decisions on what should or should not be displayed on it. This is not a reflection on the United States Political Policies but more on this one companies policies.

    As for the US being war mongers, I too agree that we should definitely step back from the role of being the "World Police" and maybe allow the EU and others to step in and actually do some of thier own fighting. I think we (US Citizens) would like to have less of our Military's Blood spilled.
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  4. narfi

    narfi Lost

    The funny thing is, I am a prude by American standards. :P

    I haven't spent a lot of time with you. Part of the LandArea event, and verbal sparring here, but I do consider you a friend.

    If I had a farm (I don't) you could live at it and feel comfortable for a time, because although I have strong beliefs (many of which I know you are strongly opposed to) I also strongly believe in respecting others, and their beliefs.

    No offense to you, but the reason it would only last a time is because single sided respect can only last so long.
    60 isn't that old any more, but even still, people your age tend to feel that they have earned the right to their opinions with no regard to others. While in a way this is true, age should have its privileges and respect, acting on that will also bring you the same heat that disrespect others brings.

    There are so many different aspects that drive us in our individual 'culture'. Some of those have been touched on here.
    • National Pride
    • Environment
    • Politics
    • Religion
    • Family
    • Genetics
    • Community
    • Education
    • Occupation
    • Hobbies
    • Age
    • etc....
    But if you look at any one of those, none of them Represent an agreeing 'culture'

    • There are other Germans who are different than you
    • The people in the houses on either side of you would not agree with everything you do
    • People from your chosen political Party will not agree with you on everything
    • People from your chosen Religion(everyone has chosen, don't get me started there) will disagree with you on something
    • There has never been a Family that agrees on everything
    • Identical twins don't even agree on everything
    • No one in your village/town/city will be able to agree with every thing you think
    • No one with the exact same educational background will agree with you on everything
    • Even someone you have worked beside doing the same job with for 20+ years will not agree with you on everything
    • You have found out that people interested in your hobbies do not agree with you :P
    • No given age group or class can agree on everything
    • you get my point.....
    All of those combined have made me into a person who 'feels' that you are Arrogant, rude, and disrespectful. You on the other hand feel that you are honest and open. I guarantee that there are Germans that would see you the same way as I do, just as there are Americans who would see you just as you see yourself. I don't think either is right or wrong, they are just different views of the same person/aspect/culture/whatever.

    I believe the problem comes when we try to force our views of such trivial things onto others.
    Who am I to judge?
    Who are you to judge?

    In the end I do not know the answers, but Respect covers a multitude of issues.
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  5. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Thank you for your open speech, Narfi. That's something I expected from you. Well, finally it lead to the conclusion to not live at your farm ;-) But it's okay. I said "I am happy to live in Europe and not in USA." I'm aware of different oppinions and preferences and national pride and respect them. I spoke for me only. I apologize if someone felt personally attacked. It wasn't meant that way. And it was no judging from my side except making a very personal decesision - just for me. It was not meant as an offense. I just stumbled about some behavior I would never accept.
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  6. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    @Peter: Can you please lock this thread. It went in a direction I never wanted to. I agree with Narfi that I am arrogant and I have to add that I am sarcastic too. But I never ever wanted to offend other foks here. Again, I apologize if it happened. If possible I would like to close this charpter. Was not my best.
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