Saving fuel using some magic pill???

Discussion in 'Life, the Universe and Everything' started by Bullet, Jun 2, 2007.

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  1. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    Well I'm a big sceptic myself about all these fuel saving magic additives, conditioners and god knows what kind of crap available these days. Have tried a significant portion of those and been not quite happy with the results. Well until I have been pointed towards this interesting product. But before I get flamed as a bull****ter, scammer, etc I want to show some serious footage about it:



    :yay:

    I have also attached car tech inspection sheets showing our company cars emissions before the pill and after.
    Last years tech inspection:
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    This years tech inspection: after having the MPG-CAP.
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    Feel free to do your own research, at the moment I'm testing it with a driving school and several private cars. It yields between 6-12% savings.

    You can check out the company website for more info:
    FFI corporate website
     
  2. hmm, dont meen to be sceptical but tada
     
  3. Bunny

    Bunny Vampire Bunny Inc.

    I could use a few of those pills myself LOL. But seriously they sound like they are making a significant difference. Keep us posted as to the outcome of your testing. I wonder if we can get them in Australia. :D
     
  4. Shamy

    Shamy Dr. Nick of Dark Lands

    Hard to believe that some pill could actually work like that...
     
  5. Red and I recently got bought some of these for a present. We looked at them but decided not to risk them in the end.

    Specifically I refused to try it, the reason being I drive a car with a supercharged engine, and any change in the combustion characteristics of the fuel can result in pre-ignition and engine damage.

    Red also drives a turbo diesel, and the same can occur here, although there is generaly a little more leeway in this type of engine, and older diesels can also benefit from some detergent additives - although a high speed blast can have just as good an effect.

    I have heard though with normally aspirated petrol and diesel engines, especially Volvo's and the like, that these additives can provide a MPG difference. They aren't however much different from what the fuel companies put in their 'super' premium fuels here in the UK, as well as normall being 98 RON instead of 95 which in the normal standard here.

    I'm also sceptical about hybrid engines etc. in terms of MPG difference and ecological effect. I won't go into huge detail here (perhaps another post one day?) but I'm still waiting for a good engine technology to come along before I invest.

    BTW bullet, strictly speaking you broke the 'no advertising' rule on the forum, but this is an interesting discussion so I'm leaving the thread and link intact in this case.
     
  6. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    Heya my dear friends,

    sorry for delays but coming back to the pill questions:

    1. The crap works on my Ancient Volvo and on a Mercedes C 200 Supercharged as well as on my colleagues Jeep Cherokee.

    2. All the sceptics might get a free trial set from me. Just need to know your address or order through the website I'll reimburse the product not the delivery.

    3. This product is available in Australia, I'm not sure about shipping cost and delivery time. Bunny try or order through the website if you like or I might ship you a free trial.

    4. Phunksta, I understand your fear/concerns, but it doesn't do anything to the combustion and it does increase the Octane. In any case the company provides insurance and covers engine damage if something will happen. I'm replacing the C class this or next month with a Lexus IS 250 and I'm eager to see if it works on a newer car.

    5. Sorry for breaking the rules, but I guess that's my freaking Russian nature :)

    6. I'm normally very skeptical and don't waste my time on such things, but hell I was surprised. But as I don't drive much I'm more interested in the environmental aspects of the product.

    7. Lucifer Ludde Elaking is a professional car mechanic and he is going to test it on his Diesel VW LUPO which swallows around 3.2 liters per 100 kilometers which is already nothing but let's see what it will do to the little VolksWagen :)


    P.S. As for the hybrids I have an interesting study to offer:
    http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2007
  7. TalkerBot

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  8. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    Well and I'm eager to get the driving school results...
     
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    Bullet Guest

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  11. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    Some more testing results on MPG-Pills:

    The testing vehicle is a 1993 Volvo 460 GLE, with 2.0L benzine engine that has been fed with the MPG-Caps incl. conditioning for 3 tanks.

    The tank's volume is 60 liters (15.85 Gal.). I have also figured out that I'm adding a bit less to the fuel than on the instruction but still the results are becoming visible.

    The vehicle is only driven within the city limits (almost no highway),

    prior to the MPG-CAPs the consumption was:
    12.7L per 100 km - (3.35498 Gal. per 62.1371 Mi. [18.52 Mi. per Gal.])

    after the 3 tank the consumption is:
    11.5L per 100 km (3.03797 Gal. per 62.1371 Mi. [20.45 Mi. per Gal.] ).

    Which gives a nice decrease in benzine consumption by 9.44%.

    I have added the correct dose with this tank and will report what will happen when the tank is empty.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2007
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  12. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    Good article. Well Prius sucks a bit when it comes to driving on the highway, I took it for a drive Vienna - Graz (~200 km) and I had a hard time on the highway. Overtaking a truck was a bit problematic... But on the other hand the Lexus Hybrids are an excellent drive, probably because of the V8 under the hood :)
     
  13. Bullet

    Bullet Guest

    It's been a while since I have posted about the FFi product on this forum. But now I'm able to explain the way the product works or doesn't work.

    I have spread a the product in form of free testing kits of 5-10 tabs among 20 people in different countries with different climate and totally different cars utilizing either gasoline or diesel fuels. I have received various feedback about improvements in consumption as well as some replies where it did not give any improvements to the consumption.

    With some help of a friend who happens to be a car mechanic we have developed a theory backed by our research and we have also understood why the ADAC test mentioned by ORION might have failed.

    As already mentioned many people had an improvement in fuel consumption and actually felt some improvements in the engine response. "The car became more powerful". But one of my good friends who is a car mechanic and a heavy commuter said that even after the 10th tablet there was no improvement to the fuel consumption although the emissions went down, so we started to investigate this matter.

    His car is a mid 90s Opel with a Diesel Engine and ~400.000 km on the odometer. As he gets his fuel costs reimbursed by the company he is working for, he has a record of each tank and mileage for the entire 400.000 km. You could even see the increase in consumption since the Austrians imposed the law to drive with lights-on during the day. But the question remained why did the tab not work on his car?

    As he loves to tweak around his engine is in better shape than many engines with much less mileage. The injection system and the valves have been replacer recently, also the engine received a nice cleaning. So basically he started to use the product on a clean (like new) engine. The product manual of the tabs mentions not to use it on new engines until they reach ~7.000 km.

    And that is the clue of the product as we took a car of the same age where the engine just received regular maintenance and started to use the product - it "kicked-in" after the second tank. Prior to that we had a look at the combustion chamber and noticed deposits of unburned carbon, after the 5th pill we took the engine apart and noticed that the deposits were gone.

    I believe that the product functions the following way:

    1. The engines build up deposits of unburned carbon.
    2. The conditioning dose + the following 1-3 tanks clean out these.
    3. Each following dose prevents the formation of further deposits.
    4. Light octane/cetane increase gives that slight power increase.

    A cleaner engine in fact buns the fuel much more efficiently than one covered with deposits. CO emissions go down substantially. The product will not work on brand new engines as there are no carbon deposits to get rid of. The product did not work on the ADAC test as the duration of the test did not allow the product to fully clean the engine.

    That's the reason why FFi is still around and their product is a success. It's like the "Fairy" washing liquid for the combustion chamber [​IMG]

    Make your opinion yourself. I made mine and when I decide to introduce this product to the potential customer I will explain the theory for sure.
     
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